Levo Gen 3 Levo Gen 4 2024 Rumours... And assorted random chat ....

[SimonDee]

Engineering is usually a process of refinement. I can't see any step changes in ebikes until say solid state batteries push up energy densities and we can lose another kilo. You need a frame, fork, divetrain, wheels, tyres etc etc and they are all highly developed already. My hunch is not to expect too much of the new Levo right now.

 

[DuncanDoughnuts]

I was so exited for this new Levo ... and then yesterday I had the most incredible ride on my Gen3 Expert ...... Now not so much anymore...
still love to see what they do... but the new bike urge has faded somewhat for me.

I also feel with all this expectation there is going to be some disappointment. But I guess we will know in November

 

[Ribinrobin]

I was so exited for this new Levo ... and then yesterday I had the most incredible ride on my Gen3 Expert ...... Now not so much anymore...
still love to see what they do... but the new bike urge has faded somewhat for me.

I also feel with all this expectation there is going to be some disappointment. But I guess we will know in November

If it comes out in November they might as well start again.

 

[Eduardoramundo]

The biggest benefit for me will be the ability for a rear 29” wheel, as I have long legs. My Spesh Enduro is a 29er and rides great.

 

[Tooks]

I was so exited for this new Levo ... and then yesterday I had the most incredible ride on my Gen3 Expert ...... Now not so much anymore...
still love to see what they do... but the new bike urge has faded somewhat for me.

This is often my advice for anybody suffering from NBAS (New Bike Aquisition Syndrome) but then I don’t manufacture bikes or own a bike shop!

Most current e-bikes, or even those from a few years back, are actually pretty good already. Going out for a ride on whatever you’ve got is a good way of reminding yourself of that.

It’s incremental gains now, even more power is just that, manufacturers need to keep pushing something otherwise we wouldn’t buy any new bikes right? At the moment it’s more powerful motors, 2 or 3 years back it was lighter weight, next cycle it’ll be what?

Just get out and ride folks!

 

[Ribinrobin]

This is often my advice for anybody suffering from NBAS (New Bike Aquisition Syndrome) but then I don’t manufacture bikes or own a bike shop!

Most current e-bikes, or even those from a few years back, are actually pretty good already. Going out for a ride on whatever you’ve got is a good way of reminding yourself of that.

It’s incremental gains now, even more power is just that, manufacturers need to keep pushing something otherwise we wouldn’t buy any new bikes right? At the moment it’s more powerful motors, 2 or 3 years back it was lighter weight, next cycle it’ll be what?

Just get out and ride folks!

This is so true! im guilty of wanting something shiny but i have friends who have had the same ebike since 2019/20 and the difference is still marginal.

 

[DuncanDoughnuts]

The biggest benefit for me will be the ability for a rear 29” wheel, as I have long legs. My Spesh Enduro is a 29er and rides great.

I ofter run my Gen3 with a 29er rear wheel. In the long position and I can fit a DRR 2.4 in the back.

 

[Leon_Beni]

Engineering is usually a process of refinement. I can't see any step changes in ebikes until say solid state batteries push up energy densities and we can lose another kilo. You need a frame, fork, divetrain, wheels, tyres etc etc and they are all highly developed already. My hunch is not to expect too much of the new Levo right now.

Well said... but if I could dream... I would like to see those silicon anode batteries (Sila, Group14) that really look like the next-gen batteries and look like they are starting to get used in other products, enter the e-bike market. I would think that if we use these, we can get to 250wh/kg and then we can get a full-power e-bike with 625wh battery pushing the boundaries of 5kg for battery+motor( thinking of dji motor being 2.5kg and not adding the extra weight from displays,cabling etc.). I think that should be possible pretty soon, but if it can happen for the new Levo..not so sure. Solid state batteries I think need a few more years to become reality, but they will be a significant improvement. Just wondering..although getting a bit out of topic,Does anyone know what tech is used in amflow batteries, the claim 213wh/kg, but is it some really next-gen or just an improved design and packaging of current lithium cells?

 

[SimonDee]

Well said... but if I could dream... I would like to see those silicon anode batteries (Sila, Group14) that really look like the next-gen batteries and look like they are starting to get used in other products, enter the e-bike market. I would think that if we use these, we can get to 250wh/kg and then we can get a full-power e-bike with 625wh battery pushing the boundaries of 5kg for battery+motor( thinking of dji motor being 2.5kg and not adding the extra weight from displays,cabling etc.). I think that should be possible pretty soon, but if it can happen for the new Levo..not so sure. Solid state batteries I think need a few more years to become reality, but they will be a significant improvement. Just wondering..although getting a bit out of topic,Does anyone know what tech is used in amflow batteries, the claim 213wh/kg, but is it some really next-gen or just an improved design and packaging of current lithium cells?

I haven't seen anything regarding which cells they use but DJI batteries are 200g lighter than the new Bosch power tubes like for like. They are both 36V. My hunch is that the cell configuration will be the same to achieve that voltage with similar capacities, so DJI either has a very light hardware design or they have smaller lighter cells and are running them harder in a wider window perhaps.

 

[Ribinrobin]

April is the release date I’ve heard. No more belt drive either. Got a few other bits but don’t know what’s allowed to be shared.

 

[Biano44]

April is the release date I’ve heard. No more belt drive either. Got a few other bits but don’t know what’s allowed to be shared.

Just tell us everything you know, then we will work out whats allowed and whats not.....

 

[irie]

April is the release date I’ve heard. No more belt drive either. Got a few other bits but don’t know what’s allowed to be shared.

But, but, but, manufacturer Brose is primarily a motor manufacturer specialising in motors typically with belt drives. Wot, no belt drive? Does not compute.

"Electric motors and drives
Brose supplies more than 200 million electric motors and drives every year making it a market leader. Our products are used in the HVAC and engine cooling, in the drive train as well as in steering and braking systems. They also operate window regulators, seats, liftgates and side doors. Our motors and drives are available in a power range of 20 to 15,000 watts and voltages of 12 to 810 volts."

 

[Ribinrobin]

It’s a brose motor.

 

[Phil M]

It’s a brose motor.

How big are the batteries

 

[Dax]

But, but, but, manufacturer Brose is primarily a motor manufacturer specialising in motors typically with belt drives. Wot, no belt drive? Does not compute.

As I said pages ago, it’s a Mahle motor

 

[Doomanic]

And as I said, also pages ago, it's a Bafang.

 

[irie]

As I said pages ago, it’s a Mahle motor

And as I said, also pages ago, it's a Bafang.

 

[Doomanic]

How big are the batteries

Exactly the right size to fit in the hole in the side of the the frame...

 

[lar1337]

How big are the batteries

9

 

[tonk]

As I said pages ago, it’s a Mahle motor

How do you know ?

 

[Double l]

Thoughts

 

[Mikerb]

nah....its a rotary ICE plus 2 gallon fuel tank.....much lighter

 

[Doomanic]

Rotary? Probably have less range and worse reliability than a Levo...

 

[Double l]

Obviously not a gen 4 but new crestline

 

[roccobarocco]

New centre display for Bosch bikes

 

[RichMorr]

Obviously not a gen 4 but new crestline

I’d say the old crestline, the blanking plate on seen on the present Bosch bike are squared off on this you can see the screw at the top like on the original Crestline model.

 

[Mikerb]

Rotary? Probably have less range and worse reliability than a Levo...

yes but Specialized have good warranty.................and you can strap a petrol can under the top tube for extra range

 

[Geas]

Once again: the new brose drive 3 peak does not have a belt anymore....

 

[mrhaboobi]

I’d say the old crestline, the blanking plate on seen on the present Bosch bike are squared off on this you can see the screw at the top like on the original Crestline model.

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So given that in that picture the Screen is sitting proud of the frame ( not flush ) whats the chances bosch will offer a retro fit LCD screen for older bosch units. Adjust where the screw is and it would cover the hole. Would love to see an upgrade LCD created for my motor.

 

[ckkone]

So given that in that picture the Screen is sitting proud of the frame ( not flush ) whats the chances bosch will offer a retro fit LCD screen for older bosch units. Adjust where the screw is and it would cover the hole. Would love to see an upgrade LCD created for my motor.

Biggest reason I bought a Gen5 Bosch, they rarely make anything backwards compatible.