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[robikinkela]

E-MOUNTAINBIKE Magazine: DJI Avinox M1 wins the Best in Test for E-Bike Motor 2025 (United Kingdom)

DJI Avinox M1 drive unit tops eMTB motor charts. It won the "Best in Test 2025" award of E-MOUNTAINBIKE Magazine. Read on for their in-depth assessment.

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why i drive a gen3.
but all in all, the last levo, times change, competition has overtaken.

Has competition really overtaken? What I see is that the various brands are proposing what Specialized did five or more years ago (KADO), centralization of the masses, lowering the weight, increasing connectivity, etc... and that is basically why the gen. 3 is still so good. In addition, some technical solutions have come out that reveal some contradictions, for example the size of the Bosch 800 battery greatly widens the central part of the frame (It disgusts me) and the range extender does not contribute to lowering the center of gravity of the bicycle (not to mention that the cost of a range extender is not indifferent). The choice of many to use a 600 battery lightens the bike, this is true, but it is neither fish nor fowl, wouldn't it have been better to opt for a 700, sufficient in most cases? Is the search for more power in the engines really an advantage? In real use I much prefer greater autonomy and the ability to put the power to the ground in the best possible way. Battery integrated into the frame? Inconvenient, even if it lowers the total weight of the ebike and stiffens the frame. As I have already had occasion to say elsewhere, aside from the various (and understandable) hype, what is happening is what happened in smartphones a few years ago with a general alignment of performance. And then, let's face it, how boring it is to see only Bosch around...

 

[Biano44]

wouldn't it have been better to opt for a 700, sufficient in most cases?

This is a great point, and frankly one that the Levo has proved.

 

[robikinkela]

This is a great point, and frankly one that the Levo has proved.

Sure! So I should sell my gen.3 to upgrade, spend at least 5000 euros to buy let's say a Vala, and have a battery with 100 W/h less, take another 500 euros from my wallet for the RE and do the same things I do today with my bike? Mmmmm...

 

[galaga187]

I reckon 2025 is going to be the year non chines ebike companies really will start struggling financially just look at EV Tesla the king for years then suddenly chines BYD turned up and they are only in the initial phase and now Amflow with chinese engine. G4 is still not on the market but Specialized is going to get the hardest time ever.

Massive 50% write down on Specialized market value by Merida - from a timing perspective not the best time to launch a new bike.

 

[Biano44]

Sure! So I should sell my gen.3 to upgrade, spend at least 5000 euros to buy let's say a Vala, and have a battery with 100 W/h less, take another 500 euros from my wallet for the RE and do the same things I do today with my bike? Mmmmm...

I suspect you have read my reply incorrectly.

If you read it again, I’m saying the 700w/h battery is a better compromise than an RE.

 

[Polar]

I find it so funny that some people think that everybody want's chinese motor on their bike, LOL.

It's not funny that everybody dont have a choice since chinese technology is getting better and cheaper day by day

 

[Polar]

Massive 50% write down on Specialized market value by Merida - from a timing perspective not the best time to launch a new bike.

They are launching within a few weeks so if the market don't love the price what do Specialized do with the massiv stock of G3 - it's a catch-22

 

[robikinkela]

Massive 50% write down on Specialized market value by Merida - from a timing perspective not the best time to launch a new bike.

It's not a good time to buy and sell either. Look at the car market in Europe: the best-selling car is the Dacia Sandero, a spartan and cheap car compared to the others... people don't have money to spend anymore and if they have to spend they do it wisely. Just to be clear, the Dacia Sandero is the CUBE of e-bikes... a good bike that focuses on the quality/price ratio. It's all getting really expensive, I just spent 320 euros to have my fork and shock absorber serviced...
I'm seriously considering keeping my gen 3 for a very long time, overhauling the engine when necessary and replacing the battery if it dies...

 

[robikinkela]

I suspect you have read my reply incorrectly.

If you read it again, I’m saying the 700w/h battery is a better compromise than an RE.

We are saying the same thing. My answer was ironic

 

[MonsterMX]

I find it so funny that some people think that everybody want's chinese motor on their bike, LOL.

Yeah, motor is not everything, handling and build quality is important for me, on that chinese garbage frame and even stock stem is flexing

 

[MonsterMX]

It's not a good time to buy and sell either. Look at the car market in Europe: the best-selling car is the Dacia Sandero, a spartan and cheap car compared to the others... people don't have money to spend anymore and if they have to spend they do it wisely. Just to be clear, the Dacia Sandero is the CUBE of e-bikes... a good bike that focuses on the quality/price ratio. It's all getting really expensive, I just spent 320 euros to have my fork and shock absorber serviced...
I'm seriously considering keeping my gen 3 for a very long time, overhauling the engine when necessary and replacing the battery if it dies...

Its a really good time to buy but hard time to sell-opposite to covid times
I can buy new Comp Carbon 2025 for 5900 eur which is fantastic price

 

[etoni]

At the very least, the upcoming levo should have coasting (intentional), pedal kick mode, fast charger, a decent display, an engine that doesn't need to be throttled for it to work.

 

[Biano44]

Yeah, motor is not everything, handling and build quality is important for me, on that chinese garbage frame and even stock stem is flexing

The frame is surprisingly good actually.
The stem is a weak point though.

 

[MonsterMX]

At the very least, the upcoming levo should have coasting (intentional), pedal kick mode, fast charger, a decent display, an engine that doesn't need to be throttled for it to work.

Just a few weeks and we will see...

 

[Georgedukesa]

You can’t fix idiocracy

 

[etoni]

Its a really good time to buy but hard time to sell-opposite to covid times
I can buy new Comp Carbon 2025 for 5900 eur which is fantastic price

for 5900 eur you can buy today, ebike with all this new things:
intentional overrun, maneuver through rough terrain with a pedal kick (bosch), multiple magnetic pick-up (dji) 2.8h charging (dji) or an equivalent display (dji).

 

[MonsterMX]

I understand but its all about personal preferences, I am riding my gen 2 Levo with 7000km 90% of the time 35/55 assist, so I dont need more powerful motor, and dont care too much about charging or display, just pure Enduro ride with assist in steep hills.

 

[robikinkela]

Its a really good time to buy but hard time to sell-opposite to covid times
I can buy new Comp Carbon 2025 for 5900 eur which is fantastic price

5900 euros is a good price but because of that how much can I sell my two year old comp carbon for? Suddenly that price of 5900 is not so great for a bike designed four years ago...

 

[MonsterMX]

Still much better price than basic 600Wh Vala with similar spec for 8600 eur.

 

[Oldandslowguy]

Have a set of I9’s on my meat powered bike, had to buy a ti axle because I broke 3 rear axles in alloy. If you plan on running I9’s on a e bike, plan on a axle replacement.

I agree, I have had 2 sets of i9 wheels (305 rim, Hydra hubs) that have failed. I replaced the rear hub bearings at about 1300 miles. For the $1400 I spent for the set, my next wheels won’t be i9. What I liked was an American company and what I thought was a great product, not so much anymore. I can say thier customer service is really good though.

 

[ckkone]

Sure! So I should sell my gen.3 to upgrade, spend at least 5000 euros to buy let's say a Vala, and have a battery with 100 W/h less, take another 500 euros from my wallet for the RE and do the same things I do today with my bike? Mmmmm...

I would, Bosch is a better motor and the Vala is overall a much better bike.

Still much better price than basic 600Wh Vala with similar spec for 8600 eur.

If you can afford a Vala it’s a much better bike.

 

[MonsterMX]

And what is ''much better''? Because geometry is very similar, it has smaller capacity battery and mechanical GX derailleur with basic Fox float suspension for 8500 eur is absolute joke.
Only one thing I like is that motor in the frame looks nice and small.

 

[Georgedukesa]

Everyone is speaking about how fast and the performance of the DJI
You can buy a Toyota GTR with that does 0-60 in 3 seconds THEN YOU CAN BUY A PORSCHE GT S4 same speed but dude it’s a frikken Porsch
So you want cheap Chinese fast gogo bike then buy the DJI you want the leader of the pack for past ten years buy a Specialized

 

[ckkone]

And what is ''much better''? Because geometry is very similar, it has smaller capacity battery and mechanical GX derailleur with basic Fox float suspension for 8500 eur is absolute joke.
Only one thing I like is that motor in the frame looks nice and small.

Everything that matters is better like the frame and motor. Components can be changed just like you changed everything on your Levo.

 

[mustclime]

Big flaw with the dji is there is no provision for a bash guard. They say you can mount one on the spider but I suspect that will kill the motor quickly.

 

[MonsterMX]

Everything that matters is better like the frame and motor. Components can be changed just like you changed everything on your Levo.

The only thing what may be better and more reliable is motor. But the point is, for almost 3000 Eur price difference I can buy Fox Factory suspension and carbon wheels and then Levo will blow out that overpriced joke.

 

[Rando_12345]

Everyone is speaking about how fast and the performance of the DJI
You can buy a Toyota GTR with that does 0-60 in 3 seconds THEN YOU CAN BUY A PORSCHE GT S4 same speed but dude it’s a frikken Porsch
So you want cheap Chinese fast gogo bike then buy the DJI you want the leader of the pack for past ten years buy a Specialized

Perfect analogy, because Nissan make the GT-R and many people consider it their dream car

 

[Georgedukesa]

Perfect analogy, because Nissan make the GT-R and many people consider it their dream car

Still a Datsun /nissan “can’t take the bush outa the monkey”

 

[sethimus]

No, it’s the same price so $14k and $12k in the US. The UK always gets screwed on pricing, all they do is change the $ to a £ and that’s what we pay. I don’t think I’ve ever seen different pricing for the £ only €.

FWIW, I’ll have about $12k in my Crestline when it’s finished, that’s with a Push shock/fork, AXS transmission/dropper, Berd carbon wheels etc.

your price is already with VAT included. those american prices are not.

 

[Doomanic]

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