Levo Gen 3 Levo Gen 4 2023/4/5/6 Rumours...

[Polar]

And bad news travels fast

 

[MTB-WALES]

Thinks it’s more of a legacy thing. These days they are much better.

 

[2DMaxLST]

Interesting, between me and my local group there are 6 Levo owners with whom I rode at some point in time, 5 of them have never experienced motor problems. One guy even rode gen1 Levo.
The guy whose motor died said that he actually abused it a bit, he wasnt shifting correctly, rode in turbo within limited gear range.
I dont want to say that every faulty motor is a result of bad shifting habits, but I cant stop thinking why in my region Levo seems like pretty reliable bike and at the same time people in internet screams about faulty motors at incredible scale.

My mechanic make motor rebuild for 100$ and reanimate some old Brose motors, he says its easily repairable and almost all parts can be purchased and replaced, despite planetary mechanism I guess . Most cases are simply water corrosion or broken planetary mechanism which is more rare in his experience.

I have a Gen 3 with over 7k miles and 150 cycles with no motor battery issues. I read this site daily about failures and I've come to the conclusion it must be folks who tend to use turbo 100% of the time in higher gear ranges. I do tend to be a higher cadence rider. I'm taking mine to the dealer for the first time just before the 2yr mark next week, just to get a visit on record before the 2-year mark.

 

[AussieRuss]

I wonder if a small amount of the Levo motor issue would disappear if they went to a 6 magnet rear & issued a software update to let the user select 1 or 6 magnets. This may reduce surging & give the motor more precise control. Doesn't seem like it would be a hard thing to do.

 

[Madden126]

I have a Gen 3 with over 7k miles and 150 cycles with no motor battery issues. I read this site daily about failures and I've come to the conclusion it must be folks who tend to use turbo 100% of the time in higher gear ranges. I do tend to be a higher cadence rider. I'm taking mine to the dealer for the first time just before the 2yr mark next week, just to get a visit on record before the 2-year mark.

It's all about luck tbh, my gen 3 also has about 6,5k km, and still no issues. A friend that rides with me is on his 4th motor already in like 14k km, but these things get abused as hell, sometimes, these motors get fully under water when we go past some rivers. The good thing is Spesh under warranty gives us new ones


My local bike shop is a Spesh and bosch dealer, and they have complained that Spesh is giving too many issues on the motors, the only good thing compared with bosch is that when in need of a replacement Specialized takes like 1 week to deliver a new one while bosch you can wait like 2 months for them.

 

[Ribinrobin]

new levo edit on the gen 3

 

[OZI]

Vala= 600wh battery….. deal breaker. A buddy in my group rides has a Yamaha Moro with a 500wh battery and he ether bails or runs out of juice every ride. The Yamaha motor is much more efficient than the Bosch unit.

That depends more on the weight, and physical shape of the rider, I have a Vala Kit S size M, I weight 68Kg with all the gear on. I have a friend that rides a 2 year old Specialized Levo Carbon Comp, size L, and weights more 25Kg than me. Is Levo consumes, in average, 25% Wh than my Vala. And it's not a battery problem because it happens with both the 500Wh and 700Wh battery of the Levo.

 

[Madden126]

new levo edit on the gen 3

The video we want is the one in Madeira

 

[mustclime]

That depends more on the weight, and physical shape of the rider, I have a Vala Kit S size M, I weight 68Kg with all the gear on. I have a friend that rides a 2 year old Specialized Levo Carbon Comp, size L, and weights more 25Kg than me. Is Levo consumes, in average, 25% Wh than my Vala. And it's not a battery problem because it happens with both the 500Wh and 700Wh battery of the Levo.

Bottom line, Santa Cruz sold you a full power e bike with a below market trend sized battery at a premium price. For the money you paid, you should have received a range extender with the bike. Santa Cruz somehow convinced people that they should pay more money for less batteries. A e bike with a Bosch motor and a 600wh battery should cost less than a e bike with a Bosch motor 800wh battery. Vala riders should just accept they got ripped off…. Maybe form some support groups to deal with the fact they got ripped off.

 

[MTB-WALES]

Bottom line, Santa Cruz sold you a full power e bike with a below market trend sized battery at a premium price. For the money you paid, you should have received a range extender with the bike. Santa Cruz somehow convinced people that they should pay more money for less batteries. A e bike with a Bosch motor and a 600wh battery should cost less than a e bike with a Bosch motor 800wh battery. Vala riders should just accept they got ripped off…. Maybe form some support groups to deal with the fact they got ripped off.

The difference in price for the battery is a couple hundred at most… I would far rather have the option to have a lighter bike and add a range extender for longer rides or bike park laps when main battery is dead. Gives you much more flexibility.
You are right the higher spec bikes should have extenders as part of the spec. They make so much dollar from the 10k builds this should be easily affordable. It’s those kind of additions that could help to soften what we all know are fairly ridiculous prices.

 

[mustclime]

The difference in price for the battery is a couple hundred at most… I would far rather have the option to have a lighter bike and add a range extender for longer rides or bike park laps when main battery is dead. Gives you much more flexibility.
You are right the higher spec bikes should have extenders as part of the spec. They make so much dollar from the 10k builds this should be easily affordable. It’s those kind of additions that could help to soften what we all know are fairly ridiculous prices.

It should have come with a range extender for what you paid for it. Just admit it. Vala’s are a total ripoff .

 

[sluette]

A e bike with a Bosch motor and a 600wh battery should cost less than a e bike with a Bosch motor 800wh battery.

Which is the case as long as you stay at the same model... Comparing different models makes no sense in this case...

 

[MTB-WALES]

It should have come with a range extender for what you paid for it. Just admit it. Vala’s are a total ripoff .

Did you read my comment?

 

[sethimus]

Bottom line, Santa Cruz sold you a full power e bike with a below market trend sized battery at a premium price. For the money you paid, you should have received a range extender with the bike. Santa Cruz somehow convinced people that they should pay more money for less batteries. A e bike with a Bosch motor and a 600wh battery should cost less than a e bike with a Bosch motor 800wh battery. Vala riders should just accept they got ripped off…. Maybe form some support groups to deal with the fact they got ripped off.

why? a 600 is not that much cheaper retail than the 800, at cost its even less

 

[salko]

New Brose Drive 3 is the next ebike drive with a 48-volt system

Higher voltage. 💥 More powerful motor. 💥 No more belt. 💥 Brose Drive 3 has multiple surprises. All the information about the new system in our blog. 👉

www.ebike24.com

 

[MTB-WALES]

New Brose Drive 3 is the next ebike drive with a 48-volt system

Higher voltage. 💥 More powerful motor. 💥 No more belt. 💥 Brose Drive 3 has multiple surprises. All the information about the new system in our blog. 👉

www.ebike24.com

200g for 200 watts… can’t imagine they would bother with the smaller battery

 

[DylanJM]

200g for 200 watts… can’t imagine they would bother with the smaller battery

I doubt specialized will use Brose's batteries. Will likely have their own proprietary ones as in the past. Also remains to be seen if they even use a Drive3 or something else Brose have cooked up specifically for Specialized.

 

[Polar]

New Brose Drive 3 is the next ebike drive with a 48-volt system

Higher voltage. 💥 More powerful motor. 💥 No more belt. 💥 Brose Drive 3 has multiple surprises. All the information about the new system in our blog. 👉

www.ebike24.com

«and switch the ebike’s lights on and off»
Hopefully it will be ready wired so whatever lights you prefer to use can be connected within minutes.

 

[ckkone]

Bottom line, Santa Cruz sold you a full power e bike with a below market trend sized battery at a premium price. For the money you paid, you should have received a range extender with the bike. Santa Cruz somehow convinced people that they should pay more money for less batteries. A e bike with a Bosch motor and a 600wh battery should cost less than a e bike with a Bosch motor 800wh battery. Vala riders should just accept they got ripped off…. Maybe form some support groups to deal with the fact they got ripped off.

Nah, 600 is perfect not everyone needs or wants 800. I'm in UT, I've never rode the trails in NJ maybe they have more vert and a bigger battery is needed.

You have no idea what people are paying for bikes, I got my Vala GX for way less than what a Turbo Levo Comp Carbon costs.

I hope they come out with the GEN4 soon, I want to see it but I would never be caught dead riding a Specialed.

 

[sethimus]

«and switch the ebike’s lights on and off»
Hopefully it will be ready wired so whatever lights you prefer to use can be connected within minutes.

specialized developes all their ebike systems in switzerland. since 2022, every ebike in switzerlands needs a daylight light by law. pretty sure they developed the system accordingly

 

[Bermo EMTB]

I have a Gen 3 with over 7k miles and 150 cycles with no motor battery issues. I read this site daily about failures and I've come to the conclusion it must be folks who tend to use turbo 100% of the time in higher gear ranges. I do tend to be a higher cadence rider. I'm taking mine to the dealer for the first time just before the 2yr mark next week, just to get a visit on record before the 2-year mark.

I use turbo during maybe 3% of the duration of my rides and the motor went south so go figure

 

[Polar]

specialized developes all their ebike systems in switzerland. since 2022, every ebike in switzerlands needs a daylight light by law. pretty sure they developed the system accordingly

Well 2022 up to date don't have a wiring harness in the frame, something some other brands have started with. When I got my light mounted, the assembly cost almost as much as the light since almost the entire bike had to be taken apart to get it professionally done.

 

[Polar]

I have a Gen 3 with over 7k miles and 150 cycles with no motor battery issues. I read this site daily about failures and I've come to the conclusion it must be folks who tend to use turbo 100% of the time in higher gear ranges. I do tend to be a higher cadence rider. I'm taking mine to the dealer for the first time just before the 2yr mark next week, just to get a visit on record before the 2-year mark.

I have done 6100km in 11 months in all types of weather Mostly in turbo on G3 but I don't really care if the motor explode since I'm very lucky according to norvegia The Consumer Purchase Act to have 5 years warranty so I'm actually hoping the motor explodes in 2-3 years since it's a bit difficult to sell a bike with 20000km on the odometer.

 

[mustclime]

Nah, 600 is perfect not everyone needs or wants 800. I'm in UT, I've never rode the trails in NJ maybe they have more vert and a bigger battery is needed.

You have no idea what people are paying for bikes, I got my Vala GX for way less than what a Turbo Levo Comp Carbon costs.

I hope they come out with the GEN4 soon, I want to see it but I would never be caught dead riding a Specialed.

 

[Myke]

What are the odds that Specialized releases a frameset with the initial release?

 

[ckkone]

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Cool you compared an aluminum bike to a carbon bike. They are actually quite close in price when you compare carbon to carbon and try match components but I’m not sure you will not understand that.

 

[Bikedriver19]

Just my opinion, we will find out...but I predict everybody will be wrong about these "rumors" in 1-2 years. (Call me out for being wrong, and I will own that.) Just my gut feeling. Of course, that is a Prediction, for which the outcome, I have no idea,,...so don't bet on that, the casino will crush you ...

Whatever it eventually is, that powers the next Spec bike, I think, will be (or should be) really cooler than the last and best at this time... I would bet on that, the odds are in favor at that casino. ....(but you could still lose BIG. )

I personally, truly and sincerely LOVE, that ebikes are getting better, doesn't matter (to me at least), which brand is doing it at the moment. Spec has high expectations, clearly. But the future is uncertain.

Who cares?...It's LOVE. Love for ebikes.

2 more beers and pass over that blunt...please (if it's legal where you are). Got to get ready for the next gen. Whatever that is or will be, I think it will be (or should be) wonderful, and better. Time will tell the truth about any rumors., right?

I Can't wait! Whatever the future brings. I'm beyond happy we've gone from those old Bionix wheels, to the future....

 

[luna87824]

What are the odds that Specialized releases a frameset with the initial release?

If they do it will be a $9,500 S-Works frameset.....

 

[Stephan II]

I actually wanted to wait for the Gen 4, but then I got an offer with a big discount on the Gen 3 Comp Alloy. I didn't have to wait any longer.

 

[Leon_Beni]

200g for 200 watts… can’t imagine they would bother with the smaller battery

I noticed that too, but. it. can't. be right... batteries are. around 200wh/kg, so having a difference of only 200g doesn't make any sense.

Anyway, still surprised the new brose motor is still claiming the numbers they already claimed at their first announcement 2 years back, feels like they should have upgraded the motor during all that delay. I am hoping. though specialised has somehow tweaked both he motor and the battery if that's what they are using, just from motor and battery. they would be 0.4(motor) +0.3(800 wh battery) = 700g heavier than DJI/amflow ( I don't even care much about peak power etc.). I mean I know they might still create a better bike, but it definitely feels underwhelming for Specialized to eventually make a new bike released nearly a year later than their rivals and be nearly 1kg heavier(the frame should be heavier,considering how Flexi Amflow seems to be) and underpowered(as I. said I personally don't find it that important... but even. marketing wise it definitely affects possible buyers).... we will see I guess..!