Hows everyone getting on with their New AMflow

[irie]

... also they reckon its due to my size and flexing of the frame
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What is your "size"?

 

[iXi]

What is your "size"?

188cm, 108kg. XL Bike

 

[irie]

188cm, 108kg. XL Bike

If bike's weight limit means rider + bike then must be near to or over the weight limit ...

 

[DanMcDan]

No creaking etc on mine, size M, I’m 74kg and ride pretty much everything from jumps/park to steep tech.

 

[iXi]

N

If bike's weight limit means rider + bike then must be near to or over the weight limit ...

Nah I'm still 15kg off the Max

The maximum load capacity is 125 kg, which includes the rider's weight, any additional items being carried, and the weight of equipment mounted onto the frame.

 

[irie]

N

Nah I'm still 15kg off the Max

The maximum load capacity is 125 kg, which includes the rider's weight, any additional items being carried, and the weight of equipment mounted onto the frame.

Depending how the above is interpreted, if the frame weighs about 2.3kg and the bike weighs perhaps 20.3kg there would be at least 18kg of "equipment mounted on the frame". AMflow don't seem to publish a gross weight limit, or if they do I haven't found it.

 

[iXi]

Depending how the above is interpreted, if the frame weighs about 2.3kg and the bike weighs perhaps 20.3kg there would be at least 18kg of "equipment mounted on the frame". AMflow don't seem to publish a gross weight limit, or if they do I haven't found it.

Got this from support, emailed direct

Thank you for your message. Regarding your query, the maximum limit of 125kg includes the rider's weight and load, as well as the weight of the equipment mounted on the frame. It does not include the weight of the bike.

 

[irie]

Got this from support, emailed direct

Thank you for your message. Regarding your query, the maximum limit of 125kg includes the rider's weight and load, as well as the weight of the equipment mounted on the frame. It does not include the weight of the bike.

The reply could be read either way. However, if that does mean that the 125kg maximum weight limit excludes the ~22kg weight of the bike then that would mean that the weight limit for bike plus rider is at least 147kg.

Good to know that self proclaimed ultra light Amflow carbon frames have significantly higher weight limits than other eMTB manufacturers.

 

[Zimmerframe]

The reply could be read either way. However, if that does mean that the 125kg maximum weight limit excludes the ~22kg weight of the bike then that would mean that the weight limit for bike plus rider is at least 147kg.

Good to know that self proclaimed ultra light Amflow carbon frames have significantly higher weight limits than other eMTB manufacturers.

Not all. For example :

The 120/125 figure is generally an arbitrary figure created to help with warranty claims. Invariably it's also a limit imposed by the wheels/hubs as they're the most likely fail points, followed by the suspension components. Any frame can fail in the right circumstances, but they're generally all pretty strong these days and it would be surprising for anyone to come along and make something which is going to be poorly engineered.

If @iXi is doing 5ft drops regularly and rides like a potato, then yes, he's either going to brake a component/frame or his testicles at some point in the future.

Anyway, that all sounds a bit serious and boring ..

With the endless question of which came first, the chicken or the egg, were EMTB's developed for old fat men or did men evolve with the introduction of the EMTB into old fat men ??

Could higher body fat be part of a natural evolutionary process - you could call it athleticism I suppose as the body is adjusting for ultimate performance under a particular situation ?

Like a skyscraper .. it's big, it's heavy .. what do you do to improve performance and longevity of the structure when under environmental extremes ? Add weight.. Stick an extra 1000 tonnes of metal at the top in the form of a Tuned mass damper.
The "Highly Tuned" riders body can flow and undulate to even out the trail, working in tandem with the suspension for a smoother ride and more consistent loading on the bike and components.

Serious EMTBers spend a lot of time in EMTB gyms where you can buy all sorts of dietary supplements like peanuts, pork scratchings, Guinness, IPA. Many more dedicated EMTBers will even stop at an EMTB gym part way through a ride, some will even squeeze in a quick gym session at the end of the ride.

Remember, don't be dismayed if you don't have an EMTB gym near you, home workouts have been proven to be as equally beneficial .

EDIT : Please note that I'm not implying that @iXi is old or fat .. for all I know he's 19 and has 6% body fat.

 

[iXi]

Not all. For example :

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The 120/125 figure is generally an arbitrary figure created to help with warranty claims. Invariably it's also a limit imposed by the wheels/hubs as they're the most likely fail points, followed by the suspension components. Any frame can fail in the right circumstances, but they're generally all pretty strong these days and it would be surprising for anyone to come along and make something which is going to be poorly engineered.

If @iXi is doing 5ft drops regularly and rides like a potato, then yes, he's either going to brake a component/frame or his testicles at some point in the future.

Anyway, that all sounds a bit serious and boring ..

With the endless question of which came first, the chicken or the egg, were EMTB's developed for old fat men or did men evolve with the introduction of the EMTB into old fat men ??

Could higher body fat be part of a natural evolutionary process - you could call it athleticism I suppose as the body is adjusting for ultimate performance under a particular situation ?

Like a skyscraper .. it's big, it's heavy .. what do you do to improve performance and longevity of the structure when under environmental extremes ? Add weight.. Stick an extra 1000 tonnes of metal at the top in the form of a Tuned mass damper.
The "Highly Tuned" riders body can flow and undulate to even out the trail, working in tandem with the suspension for a smoother ride and more consistent loading on the bike and components.

Serious EMTBers spend a lot of time in EMTB gyms where you can buy all sorts of dietary supplements like peanuts, pork scratchings, Guinness, IPA. Many more dedicated EMTBers will even stop at an EMTB gym part way through a ride, some will even squeeze in a quick gym session at the end of the ride.

Remember, don't be dismayed if you don't have an EMTB gym near you, home workouts have been proven to be as equally beneficial .

EDIT : Please note that I'm not implying that @iXi is old or fat .. for all I know he's 19 and has 6% body fat.

Unfortunately I am old and fat, but the Max drop I do is about 2ft.

The weight thing was in regards to my bike creaking and cracking occasionally. The bike shop reckons its the frame flexing and the suspension Pivot points creaking as a result.

With that said I have busted a rear triangle from one of my narly 2 foot drops and it was aluminium.

 

[irie]

Not all.
...

Thanks for reminding me that I didn't say all other eMTB manufacturers.

 

[tehviking]

How many have mulleted their bike? I keep buzzing my arse so I'm thinking of doing that.

I had my bike back in the shop for creaking and cracking of the frame. The bike shop said its due to the design of the suspension and I can expect it to happen over the course of ownership also they reckon its due to my size and flexing of the frame.

I've got it back and it's much quieter but still cracks occasionally when pushing hard through the cranks and twisting the bike.

Anyone experience similar?

I don’t yet have an Amflow but this happens on my Fuel EXe carbon frame with some regularity. I’m just shy of 100 kilos.

 

[singletrackminded]

It will be interesting to see FC's full ride report. So far, the demo testers speak of the frame being flexly. I would personally ride it in the mullet configuration, which may help minimize the rear swingarm/ linkage flex with the smaller, stiffer rear wheel. The stock stem has been mentioned as an issue with flex also, but can be easily upgraded. Its listed at $ 7500 US which is a nice value. I wonder about the proposed US Dealer network and support, as well; as warantee. Very interesting bike.

 

[irie]

Hmmm, carbon frames, hmmm ...

 

[DanMcDan]

Yesterday’s ride , finished with 20% and temperature was 4c, 78kgs on a Pl 800.

 

[Bikedriver19]

It will be interesting to see FC's full ride report. So far, the demo testers speak of the frame being flexly. I would personally ride it in the mullet configuration, which may help minimize the rear swingarm/ linkage flex with the smaller, stiffer rear wheel. The stock stem has been mentioned as an issue with flex also, but can be easily upgraded. Its listed at $ 7500 US which is a nice value. I wonder about the proposed US Dealer network and support, as well; as warantee. Very interesting bike.

I think the carbon bar, this bike comes with is "flexy" .. not the bike itself, I replaced the bar with a Rental Fat Bar, and replaced the stem, and it feels rock solid, I have the 29 on the back. However I am 165 lbs. I don't feel any flex at all in the back end.

 

[Bikedriver19]

Yesterday’s ride , finished with 20% and temperature was 4c, 78kgs on a Pl 800.
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Curious, what mode did you run in? ANd how do you have the mode tuned?

With tuning at max on all modes, I am finding I can get about, 16 miles (turbo, all the time), about 24 miles on trail, all the time.
I have not tried auto or eco for an entire ride, but for the time I have tried auto....seems that gets the longest battery range.

31 miles, with 20% left, is pretty good!

 

[iXi]

Yesterday’s ride , finished with 20% and temperature was 4c, 78kgs on a Pl 800.
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that's mine, 80% auto 10% Eco and 10% boost/Max boost

I had 52% left. 108kg

I'm still getting plenty of flex through the frame but none through the bars that I can tell. If I bunny hop and the back wheel lands at an angle I get a loud crack, if I land straight no sound. Driving through the pedals hard can also get a crack from the frame. I'm still planning on changing the stem as it looks pretty flimsy. I'm going to mullet it too.

 

[DanMcDan]

Curious, what mode did you run in? ANd how do you have the mode tuned?

With tuning at max on all modes, I am finding I can get about, 16 miles (turbo, all the time), about 24 miles on trail, all the time.
I have not tried auto or eco for an entire ride, but for the time I have tried auto....seems that gets the longest battery range.

31 miles, with 20% left, is pretty good!

I had just updated to the latest firmware, eco was set to 30nm , Auto to maximum of 70nm, Trail to 85.

I spent the first 16 miles in auto, then eco for the remainder.

 

[bissona]

Two rideouts with the PL Pro over the past couple of weekends. I know I'm coming from an aging Jam2 but jesus wept these Amflows are great bikes. Front end floating over bumps, amazing toque up the steepest of climbs and light enough to forgive you when you fudge the take-off or landing. Just epic, what a bike.