Have you had your eeb derestricted?

[Crazee horse]

I know relative beginners to mtb that would put 99% of this forum to shame bike riding skills wise.

A very bold and presumptuous statement seeing as you probably don't know half the people here. No doubt your dad's bigger than ours as well ?

 

[Gary]

No mate he's dead

It may be a bold and presumptios statement and you may not like hearing it but it is true.

 

[Sidepod]

Now children, play nicely!

 

[Rahr85]

mine is derestricted but for the basis of getting that extra 2-3mph when approaching jumps or just keeping a nice steady pace on the flat trails when out with friends.

Basically the tyres and weight make the transition from assistance to no assistance feel awkward. It is possible to pedal above the restriction but straddling that line when going through some of the jump lines i try makes it feel awkward and the extra bit of speed helps avoid massive cases.

My ebike was built to be a bit of jack of all trades, master of none. It has various flaws for different types of riding but the derestriction just makes it a bit closer to master of most.

 

[04fuxake]

Yes he’s funny. A lot of talking rather than riding, but funny nonetheless

I like channels that inspire me to ride and push my limits.

I recently discovered Beau Miles. While technically not about riding, he does some pretty interesting endurance stuff like walking his 90km commute to work and having to sleep and eat with whatever he can find.

 

[rwhitfie]

Since derestricting my Spesh, I’ve enjoyed my eMTB more. Each to his/her own, do what’s right for you ?

 

[rwhitfie]

As above I change mine to 32km. I changed it with an app I bought on android only.
It makes the bike what it should be! perfect for trails and not so bad on the road.
I’m still under warranty and so I rate I’ve lost that.

What bike? What app?

 

[Si1]

Here's a final thought. Why on earth would there need to be an assistance limit at all OFF road for a class 1 pedalec (Emtb) when on the flat the 250w rated assistance means it'll top out naturally at around 30-35mph due to wind resistance just the same as a normal mtb and around 23mph on any climb of decent gradient? (Even derestricted the motor is fairly irrelivant downhill).
The only actual difference between a derestricted Emtb and an mtb is how long you can hold a decent speed for. The actual top speeds are surprisingly similar.

?Yes! Very much this!

 

[High Rock Ruti]

This is not a thread about the rights and wrongs of derestriction, it is purely to gauge whether or not it is deemed a necessity to enjoy an ebike.
I will start with my experience.
I own a Trek Rail which uses the bosch gen 4 motor. I also live in the UK which limits the top motor assisted speed as 25 kph.
From new I derestricted my bike, but after about 1000 miles run into an error code.
As a result of this I removed the derestricter, I now have well over 3000 miles on the bike with no more error codes and I can honestly say I have only missed the derestricter on a handful of occasions.
What are your thoughts?

High Rock Ruti

I've derestricted twice. Original Turbo Levo using "bluelight" change the wheel diameter got up to 23 or 24 mph (20 mph USA standards), secondly on a 2019 Trubo Levo S Works with the planetary gears that reduces the magnet spinning by 50% 33 MPH on flat pavement. I wonder if the Bosch motor would be unable to detect this mechanical defeat, and not throw error codes , by the by, my 2020 Rail 9.8 has thrown 504 codes twice without having been derestricted. So getting the code is not an automatic "you've been busted by your local bike shop" incident. The 2019 Turbo Levo ran out of gas at 33 MPH, me too. I've crashed going 15 MPH it's profound, rib breaking in fact, crashing at 33 MPH could be lethal and broken bones likely. I love the planetary gears no wiring and easy to install and remove.

Warm Regards

Ruti

 

[jeanmarc]

I have not done it after a full year riding. (32 km/h limit in North America)
And I won't do it even after warranty expiration.
Works fine as it is.
My 2 cents

 

[Peaky Rider]

I have not done it after a full year riding. (32 km/h limit in North America)
And I won't do it even after warranty expiration.
Works fine as it is.
My 2 cents

As far as we in Europe are concerned, you guys in North America are already enjoying derestriction.

 

[Planemo]

I must admit it was the first mod I was looking at before I even picked up my Haibike. I had come from a hub motor kit (easy to de-restrict on the controller, and supplied with a thumb throttle) which did around 24mph which was nice. However, after having the Haibike for a short time I am erring towards not derestricting it. I don't need to go anywhere fast, 15.5mph is enough for offroad assistance and on the road, whilst sometimes a bit of a pain, it just means I zone out more and take in the surroundings. I actively avoid any road riding which isn't scenic so this is no bad thing.

There is also the fact that I don't want to tempt a 504 error, but even if I knew the dongle wouldn't, I am still not sure I would be prepared to spend £150 on one.

If I was using the bike every day for commuting I might be more tempted but as the bike is more of a plaything I think I can live with it. Never say never though, time will tell.

 

[Doomanic]

I’m getting further and further towards the centre of the fence. The trails were running super sweet today and there were a few times where I approached features carrying more speed than usual which turned them from humps into jumps but it was still too slow to turn them into doubles or clear some of the tables. I was definitely hitting the limiter so a little more would be nice.

 

[Gary]

Dunno where you were riding Dom but most well built jump lines can be cleared with no pedalling other than to drop in.

#buildbetterjumplines

 

[Doomanic]

It’s a mostly flat section of trail that tracks the fire road before dropping down the hill.

 

[RustyMTB]

EMBN/GMBN must be such a hamster wheel to work for, seven or eight videos per week, every week is a recipe for tepid content. This morning's offering, what to wear when you ride a bike.

Doddy on the tech channel is at least upfront in asking the audience for ideas but it wouldn't be for me, the constant pressure to churn out content for ad revenue & sponsor demands. I've watched a few podcasts with pro riders who've explicitly touched on the pressure of being involved with G/Embn, so it seems like a thing.

 

[>moto<]

mine is derestricted but for the basis of getting that extra 2-3mph when approaching jumps or just keeping a nice steady pace on the flat trails when out with friends.

Basically the tyres and weight make the transition from assistance to no assistance feel awkward. It is possible to pedal above the restriction but straddling that line when going through some of the jump lines i try makes it feel awkward and the extra bit of speed helps avoid massive cases.

My ebike was built to be a bit of jack of all trades, master of none. It has various flaws for different types of riding but the derestriction just makes it a bit closer to master of most.

100% agree with this. I deristricted my bike because the 25km/h limit is too slow. My local trails are fast and flowy with nice berms to carry speed, I would hit 25km/h may times on a run down and it's unnerving when it happens right before a jump. Those extra few Km's to 32km/h are enough to negate that issue and I feel is all that is needed.

It would be fun to ride faster on the flat or street but I can live with 32km/h.

 

[Agu]

I found that 25 km/h is too slow and boring when approaching my trails on asphalt, and on faster forest trails I have better flow with up to 32 km/h. Which is totally enough for me. More fun, never looked back to 25 km/h. Ease of derestricting would be an important criteria when buying a new bike/motor.

 

[Shy Ted]

I think it’s ridiculous to derestrict ‘em; if you want to go faster than what the law allows either pedal a bit harder or get a bloody moped! ?

 

[Planemo]

I think it’s ridiculous to derestrict ‘em; if you want to go faster than what the law allows either pedal a bit harder or get a bloody moped! ?

I do understand your sentiment. To the public, derestricting is only ever going to cause negativity, it will never help the emtb cause. So in that respect it could be deemed a very selfish thing to do. Not to mention that if the s**t really does hit the fan and you kill/give someone lifelong injuries you are going to have a really bad day gripping the rail in court trying to explain that your derestricted emtb isn't an uninsured motorcycle.

On the other, derestricting for another 10kmh or so isn't going to be obvious to Joe Bloggs nor will it suddenly tear up the landscape like a 500cc crosser. But then I would have to ask, if 10kmh is all I am after, is it really worth bothering? I hear the comments above about it being enough to help clear a jump etc but as you say, maybe these riders need to put a bit more effort in or simply not attempt the gap jumps. Otherwise where will it end? Some gaps may need far more than 35kmh...so do we just keep upping our ebike derestriction speed until we can clear them under assistance only? Or do we simply say 'I'm not quick enough for these jumps', admit defeat and go out and buy an MX bike to do it properly. It does seem that some riders want a bicycle to have the ability and thrills of an MX bike but without the hassle/noise of owning/running an MX bike.

For myself, maybe the responsibility of having a house/kids etc and getting older scares me from getting lumped with the aforementioned rather remote but still possible court case which in reality could not only financially ruin me but also my family. For sure I was far less bothered in my teens..

I am in no way criticising owners of derestricted bikes (my old Bafang hub drive did 24mph) so I am not throwing stones, just throwing out some thoughts instead.

 

[Smithy]

What bike? What app?

Yes ? changed it to 32kl. USA. I’m at the bike shop now and he said I need a new motor . I cleaned it. It worked again and now it’s stopped again Gutted

 

[Marley]

Been an avid mtnbiker for 30 years but just recently reached the 100 mile mark on a Trek Rail 7.
My top speed in the rugged terrain that I ride has been 22 mph and average of 4.5 so de-restriction would never be a requirement nor would power.

95% riding in Eco mode and bump up to tour to keep momentum ascending switchbacks......I'm in perfect harmony.

 

[Smithy]

So yeah took it to bike shop and they said new motor. As I changed the setting with stunlocker. 5 months later after setting it to 32km its fucked. . Gutted.
Don’t lissen to shy ted he’s a pussy. Probably riding a gravel bike. Derestricting is much better but it comes at a cost some motors break some don’t I for one won’t do it again using an app but I will try by using magnets on the rear wheel to make it go a little faster. Two weeks time or a little more it will be fixed and hopefully I can keep my warranty on this motor.

I’m not made of money but 900 pounds for a new motor and reprogrammed/ put back together is kinda worth it. It’s my pride and joy. Life’s about living. Pushing The boundaries. Shy ted you stick to your Gravel bike But be careful don’t graze your knee at 25km

 

[Shy Ted]

Very astute of you Smifffy, I do indeed have a gravel bike!
Sorry to hear you’re having trouble with your motor. ?

 

[Sander23]

So yeah took it to bike shop and they said new motor. As I changed the setting with stunlocker. 5 months later after setting it to 32km its fucked. . Gutted.
Don’t lissen to shy ted he’s a pussy. Probably riding a gravel bike. Derestricting is much better but it comes at a cost some motors break some don’t I for one won’t do it again using an app but I will try by using magnets on the rear wheel to make it go a little faster. Two weeks time or a little more it will be fixed and hopefully I can keep my warranty on this motor.

I’m not made of money but 900 pounds for a new motor and reprogrammed/ put back together is kinda worth it. It’s my pride and joy. Life’s about living. Pushing The boundaries. Shy ted you stick to your Gravel bike But be careful don’t graze your knee at 25km

Ive tried that on my previous bike. But with the magnet trick you never know how fast your going, the range you have, or the distance you did.
Unless you have some sort of other device for that i wont do that.

Ive had great succes with this one bikespeed - tuning for your pedelec or e-bike.
Had it on my old bike for 1500 km(yamaha pw-x), and my current bike for 7400 km( bosch gen2) never had an issue on thise 3 years

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[Peaky Rider]

So yeah took it to bike shop and they said new motor. As I changed the setting with stunlocker. 5 months later after setting it to 32km its fucked. . Gutted.
Don’t lissen to shy ted he’s a pussy. Probably riding a gravel bike. Derestricting is much better but it comes at a cost some motors break some don’t I for one won’t do it again using an app but I will try by using magnets on the rear wheel to make it go a little faster. Two weeks time or a little more it will be fixed and hopefully I can keep my warranty on this motor.

I’m not made of money but 900 pounds for a new motor and reprogrammed/ put back together is kinda worth it. It’s my pride and joy. Life’s about living. Pushing The boundaries. Shy ted you stick to your Gravel bike But be careful don’t graze your knee at 25km

Could you not have just used Stunlocker to reset to factory before you took it to the dealer, or was everything just dead.
I had a motor fail a couple of years ago, common E-8000 fault, nothing to do with Stunlocker. I just reset to factory and no one was any the wiser.

You might want to think about dropping the 'Shy' in your username Ted.

 

[Shy Ted]

Yeah PR, you’re right, guess I must have crawled out of my shell from the wrong side today. Anyway I’ve adjusted my previous message, it’s much more empathetic now.

 

[Smithy]

Very astute of you Smifffy, I do indeed have a gravel bike!
Sorry to hear you’re having trouble with your motor. ?

Haha I knew it !
yep my stupidity made me buy a new motor. But I’d rather buy 100 motors than a gravel bike

 

[>moto<]

I do understand your sentiment. To the public, derestricting is only ever going to cause negativity, it will never help the emtb cause. So in that respect it could be deemed a very selfish thing to do. Not to mention that if the s**t really does hit the fan and you kill/give someone lifelong injuries you are going to have a really bad day gripping the rail in court trying to explain that your derestricted emtb isn't an uninsured motorcycle.

On the other, derestricting for another 10kmh or so isn't going to be obvious to Joe Bloggs nor will it suddenly tear up the landscape like a 500cc crosser. But then I would have to ask, if 10kmh is all I am after, is it really worth bothering? I hear the comments above about it being enough to help clear a jump etc but as you say, maybe these riders need to put a bit more effort in or simply not attempt the gap jumps. Otherwise where will it end? Some gaps may need far more than 35kmh...so do we just keep upping our ebike derestriction speed until we can clear them under assistance only? Or do we simply say 'I'm not quick enough for these jumps', admit defeat and go out and buy an MX bike to do it properly. It does seem that some riders want a bicycle to have the ability and thrills of an MX bike but without the hassle/noise of owning/running an MX bike.

For myself, maybe the responsibility of having a house/kids etc and getting older scares me from getting lumped with the aforementioned rather remote but still possible court case which in reality could not only financially ruin me but also my family. For sure I was far less bothered in my teens..

I am in no way criticising owners of derestricted bikes (my old Bafang hub drive did 24mph) so I am not throwing stones, just throwing out some thoughts instead.

It's not about putting more effort in. There is a certain speed most people will get down a trail and 25km/h sits right on that limit for alot of us. I don't stare at the speedo when riding a trail so the cutout can catch you by surprise, add the fact that on most bikes it adds a noticeable decceleration effect and it not only kills the fun but can genuinely add to the danger.

I don't buy the whole risk mitigation thing either, you choose how hard to ride your bike, when, and in what circumstance. I understand where you are coming from but it's a bit too overreaching in my view. You've got more chance maming someone by not driving the approved distance behind them and nobody does that. It's just become common practice so people perceive it as a risk.

As is evidenced by this thread and others on the same subject, most people can live with 32km/h. It's no about getting endlessly faster, we just want the bikes to cover a more workable operating range.

Smithy - the mltors are designed to operate at at least 32km/h of the US market so I reckon you just unlucky.

 

[Smithy]

Ive tried that on my previous bike. But with the magnet trick you never know how fast your going, the range you have, or the distance you did.
Unless you have some sort of other device for that i wont do that.

Ive had great succes with this one bikespeed - tuning for your pedelec or e-bike.
Had it on my old bike for 1500 km(yamaha pw-x), and my current bike for 7400 km( bosch gen2) never had an issue on thise 3 years

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I think I will wait till my warranty is out next time lol. Just going to have to go slow like ted for know