First pics of Yamaha's full suspension emtb.

[apac]

Archived version of the NYX thread from 2016 - so it might miss some later updates :

Endless-sphere.com • View topic - Andrew's NYX carbon frame + cromotor. full fat build log

You can grab/download your pictures from the archive in theory and get them back.

I can't find any archived versions for the LMX.(but I have been lazy and not looked that hard)

You fooking beauty! Thanks Maan. I never realised that could be done. The second build thread is mostly documented in the youtube clips, so not much to lose.
I decided to move to pedalec due to having more exercise and more scope to ride where i want without constantly looking over my shoulder. I could only ride the two mx bikes up on the hills of Wales where there were only sheep to worry. All i ever wanted was a fully intergrated motor and battery mtb but back in the day they didnt exist. Now they do, so i sold the mid-drive bike and bought a levo. Happy days. I still have the hub motor bike and let rip mud plugging when i can. It is completely silent. It makes no sound what so ever due to the the hub motor and electronic controller tech. Sneak up on wildlife is my favourite past time... Especially sheep wink wink
Btw, the pink bike is too hardcore me. Only my crazy horse daughter rides that beast .

 

[Pdoz]

Do you think he takes out his little trike on the deck instead - when he doesn't want to be embarrassed ?

since we're getting just a little random. I thought you might bet excited by the yamaha ynf01 - off riad capable electric vehicle purpose designed for you to race

 

[Rusty]

Maybe Yamaha would look at the market in a different way. Instead of trying to satisfy the demands of the market at the top end, they could mass produce thousands of good quality, entry level bikes at maybe 2k which would be affordable to the poor sods with mortgages who look longingly at our bikes as we sail past them on the fire roads at the weekend.
Don’t get too wet, Mitch?

Hells Bells - your average eMTB is about 40% too freaking expensive for what it is. Most other bicycles are 50-60% over-priced ..... and that doesn't include the Speshy pricing.

Seriously, if one looks at the pricing of parts for a motorcycle of similar retail price then do a cost analysis - taking into account how virtually all bicycle components are Off-The-Shelf stuff you can see how badly we are ripped off.

 

[Rusty]

since we're getting just a little random. I thought you might bet excited by the yamaha ynf01 - off riad capable electric vehicle purpose designed for you to race

Now, if you take away the seat ...... which will allow @Zimmerframe to bail in 3 different directions you just about have what the boy needs.

 

[Rusty]

Absolutely, the comment was a grasp and tacky... but I wanted to put a hurricane picture in this thread, and felt like I needed a connection.

No need to grasp - just put Bob into any thread .... often worth a laugh.

 

[Zimmerframe]

Now, if you take away the seat ...... which will allow @Zimmerframe to bail in 3 different directions you just about have what the boy needs.

Ah, I was seeing it wrong ... I thought you were supposed to stand on that little plastic flap and it had rear wheel steering .. Makes it hyper responsive and super easy to bail ! I presumed the padded and well protected shelf area was for carrying your beer ?

 

[Zimmerframe]

So what's with the huge stem thing on that Yamaha and is it me or are the bars not that wide ?

Came across these when searching for more info on it .... probably been seen by everyone else, but I'm a bit behind the times..

The "inner derailleur" on the Honda RN-01

 

[GrandPaBrogan]

Came across these when searching for more info on it .... probably been seen by everyone else, but I'm a bit behind the times..

The "inner derailleur" on the Honda RN-01

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The RN01 was raced by Greg Minnaar in the DH World Cup in New Zealand back in 2006 (not exactly sure where else it was taken). The original concept Honda was experimenting on was to develop a step-less transmission (like a CVT in cars today). The technology was based on a ratcheting mechanism where the ratio was altered steplessly by varying the leverage of two alternating push-rods that activated the internal ratchet. The video you posted here is the back-up system they utilised because they were having reliability issues with the step-less version. There's nothing groundbreaking about that back-up system really, because it's essentially a cassette/derailleur tucked inside an onboard crankcase. The advantage of that of course is the rear wheel has no mech that can get tangled, no chain tensioner bouncing a long folded chain around, and a lighter rear hub - so less unsprung weight for quicker suspension response.

Now... fast-forward to present day - it doesn't take much imagination to see the benefits of marrying that system with an electric motor... gives me shivers and goosebumps!!

 

[wepn]

So what's with the huge stem thing on that Yamaha and is it me or are the bars not that wide ?

Came across these when searching for more info on it .... probably been seen by everyone else, but I'm a bit behind the times..

The "inner derailleur" on the Honda RN-01

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The G-Cross. Wish I had one of those! Not that I'd be riding it.

I'd settle for one of these

 

[Zimmerframe]

I'd settle for one of these

I think @Christian s X wing Kenevo would have ended up looking like that if he'd not had to rely on others to do his metal fabrication.

The next Levo should have something like that in theory .. ? I've heard they're also doing away with the chain by having a little spring loaded rubber wheel which pushes against the tyre behind the motor.

 

[CjP]

I’m all honesty if I had a welder and a 5 axis cnc I’d have the sickest ebike known to man (and woman)
I am buying small lathe soon as my need for small custom parts is growing and I have no patience to wait days for parts. I am currently studying 3d Autocad and will eventually end up inventing things for a living.

 

[Rusty]

... gives me shivers and goosebumps!!

You leave the damn beer fridge door open again?

 

[wepn]

I’m all honesty if I had a welder and a 5 axis cnc I’d have the sickest ebike known to man (and woman)
I am buying small lathe soon as my need for small custom parts is growing and I have no patience to wait days for parts. I am currently studying 3d Autocad and will eventually end up inventing things for a living.

I couldn't find the right reaction so:
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[GrandPaBrogan]

I am currently studying 3d Autocad and will eventually end up inventing things for a living.

A word of advice if that’s your chosen career path... (if you haven’t already) at the very least, learn the basics of intellectual property law - and study the prerequisites of patenting in your country vs internationally. Otherwise you’d be entering a mine-field without a map. That landscape is littered with broken dreams. May your aspirations come true, and all the best!

 

[CjP]

A word of advice if that’s your chosen career path... (if you haven’t already) at the very least, learn the basics of intellectual property law - and study the prerequisites of patenting in your country vs internationally. Otherwise you’d be entering a mine-field without a map. That landscape is littered with broken dreams. May your aspirations come true, and all the best!

Lol I’m just taking shit man. I mean I am doing Autocad and I do like to do things outside the box but by no means am I going to make a career out of it.
I do things for fun and I’m fine with that.

 

[wepn]

A word of advice if that’s your chosen career path... (if you haven’t already) at the very least, learn the basics of intellectual property law - and study the prerequisites of patenting in your country vs internationally. Otherwise you’d be entering a mine-field without a map. That landscape is littered with broken dreams. May your aspirations come true, and all the best!

Excellent advice regardless that the concept of intellectual property is virtually non-existent in some countries. Also the high cost of obtaining patents & even greater cost in trying to enforce them across borders.

Open Source even partial not necessarily every component and printed metals & composites could already be the more productive approach.

 

[Zimmerframe]

I do like to do things outside the box

Is it claustrophobic ? maybe your first task should be building a bigger box ?

 

[CjP]

Normality is so boring. I like living outside the box. It’s way more fun!

 

[DrStupid]

The protrusion looks to be a drive pinion, and just opposite this thing, there is the cover for the motor which is offset a fair amount. If this is the case, the motor and drive mech is completely separated from the crank and crank bearings until the ring and pinion interface externally, making them easy to service.

I think there is a transmission inside there and the obviously photoshopped derailleur is a guise

 

[DrStupid]

So what's with the huge stem thing on that Yamaha and is it me or are the bars not that wide ?

Came across these when searching for more info on it .... probably been seen by everyone else, but I'm a bit behind the times..

The "inner derailleur" on the Honda RN-01

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I would pay handsomely for an enclosed cassette like the BU unit on the RN01. A decent cover like what's used on the front brake of a dirtbike would be awesome.

I bent my third derailleur in about 3 months last night riding on some deer trails. The derailleur actively reached out, grabbed a stick and tried to eat it, got snagged, and pitched me over the bars going steeply down hill. Oddly enough, as Zimmerman noted in another thread, it shifts better after random naturally selected adjustments.

 

[Zimmerframe]

Oddly enough, as Zimmerman noted in another thread, it shifts better after random naturally selected adjustments.

Fuzzy Logic derailleurs are all the rage at the moment.

I have a similar problem with mine, if I had to design a device to pick up twigs, branches and small round hard random bits of tree, I'd start with the humble chain and derailleur .

 

[DrStupid]

Fuzzy Logic derailleurs are all the rage at the moment.

I have a similar problem with mine, if I had to design a device to pick up twigs, branches and small round hard random bits of tree, I'd start with the humble chain and derailleur .

Maybe our friend Christian, could use his newly acquired CAD skills to connect a chainsaw blade to the existing drive chain. This way, we could mow dow the trails as we go, instead of performing an instant mtb yard sale everytime the derailleur gets hungry.

 

[Zimmerframe]

Maybe are friend Christian, could use his newly acquired CAD skills to connect a chainsaw blade to the existing drive chain. This way, we could mow dow the trails as we go, instead of performing an instant mtb yard sale everytime the derailleur gets hungry.

It's a great idea in principle ... but you have to remember that the first thing @Christian will insist we do is upgrade EVERYTHING to the largest and strongest possible .. only then will he begin, so our bikes will probably look like this :

 

[DrStupid]

It's a great idea in principle ... but you have to remember that the first thing @Christian will insist we do is upgrade EVERYTHING to the largest and strongest possible .. only then will he begin, so our bikes will probably look like this :

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Lol I'm in tears. ?

 

[GrandPaBrogan]

Lol I’m just taking shit man. I mean I am doing Autocad and I do like to do things outside the box but by no means am I going to make a career out of it.
I do things for fun and I’m fine with that.

Haha, that's cool man... I do things for fun too.

Seeing as you brought up the idiom "outside the box" let's have fun with that... because it's a common expression we often hear these days. The idea denotes that the "box" is what's done conventionally - and that innovation is the space "outside of that box" where creative people can roam free.

In reality, and more often than not - it's the opposite of that.

The conventional realm can also be called the "public domain." After 25 or so years, patents expire and ex-proprietary ideas pour into this space for everyone to enjoy - it now belongs to everyone. You can build, manufacture, or commercialise anything in there. This is the true playing field... it's not a box... it's an ever expanding ocean.

Now outside that "box" are hotly contested properties where invisible walls and electric fences secretly abound. Zombies live there... ZOMBIES!

 

[CjP]

Maybe our friend Christian, could use his newly acquired CAD skills to connect a chainsaw blade to the existing drive chain. This way, we could mow dow the trails as we go, instead of performing an instant mtb yard sale everytime the derailleur gets hungry.

This I can do but by the sounds of it Zimmer is most qualified at trail clearing. Although I’ve had my fair share of bush love! (Eewwe)

It's a great idea in principle ... but you have to remember that the first thing @Christian will insist we do is upgrade EVERYTHING to the largest and strongest possible .. only then will he begin, so our bikes will probably look like this

It makes sense to build the best quality if you want reliability when your as reckless as I am. As for largest I run a 27.5 rear so it’s not always big is better. You should be familiar with this.

Haha, that's cool man... I do things for fun too.

Seeing as you brought up the idiom "outside the box" let's have fun with that... because it's a common expression we often hear these days. The idea denotes that the "box" is what's done conventionally - and that innovation is the space "outside of that box" where creative people can roam free.

In reality, and more often than not - it's the opposite of that.

The conventional realm can also be called the "public domain." After 25 or so years, patents expire and ex-proprietary ideas pour into this space for everyone to enjoy - it now belongs to everyone. You can build, manufacture, or commercialise anything in there. This is the true playing field... it's not a box... it's an ever expanding ocean.

Now outside that "box" are hotly contested properties where invisible walls and electric fences secretly abound. Zombies live there... ZOMBIES!

Lol don’t get me started on the Zombies.

Your right though, the box is more of an ocean these days. Reminds me of that Kevin Costner film.. I’m just trying to find some soil!

What is conventional these days? Does that word even have meaning anymore?

Now where’s my bike, we have things to do!

 

[JetSetDemo]

Thinking outside the box, connect 9 dots with just four lines, and don't take your pen of the paper. A Bit random but reading this brought this back me.

 

[CjP]

Thinking outside the box, connect 9 dots with just four lines, and don't take your pen of the paper. A Bit random but reading this brought this back me.

I would have cut the paper and aligned the dots into a straight line and done it in 1.

This is why I need to be away from people.

 

[wepn]

The RN01 was raced by Greg Minnaar in the DH World Cup in New Zealand back in 2006 (not exactly sure where else it was taken). The original concept Honda was experimenting on was to develop a step-less transmission (like a CVT in cars today). The technology was based on a ratcheting mechanism where the ratio was altered steplessly by varying the leverage of two alternating push-rods that activated the internal ratchet. The video you posted here is the back-up system they utilised because they were having reliability issues with the step-less version. There's nothing groundbreaking about that back-up system really, because it's essentially a cassette/derailleur tucked inside an onboard crankcase. The advantage of that of course is the rear wheel has no mech that can get tangled, no chain tensioner bouncing a long folded chain around, and a lighter rear hub - so less unsprung weight for quicker suspension response.

Now... fast-forward to present day - it doesn't take much imagination to see the benefits of marrying that system with an electric motor... gives me shivers and goosebumps!!

Spot the differences...ホンダMTB貴重映像
Version 1 Silver Bullet! Mystical DH CVT awesomeness from 2004 so ahead of its time it was banned.

 

[GrandPaBrogan]

Spot the differences...ホンダMTB貴重映像
Version 1 Silver Bullet! Mystical DH CVT awesomeness from 2004 so ahead of its time it was banned.
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