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1900m of climbing tells you absolutely nothing about the actual climb except a start and end point.
As already written twice, I would not write all the above if the conditions and factors of both rides wouldn't be comparable, also I said we shouldn't jump to conclusions as of yet...so... 》1900m of climbing tells you absolutely nothing about the actual climb except a start and end point.
I used to think that, but have changed my mind now, some motors do heat up a lot more than others and are quite a bit more inefficient than others, at least at max assistance.The whole range conversation seems to me a bit unnecessary. In the end, the actual efficiency differences from motor to Motor are minute so range is dictated by more significant factors. So its battery size less, bike tyre efficiency, trail conditions and then, importantly, how much assist you have set it up to run at.
Thats proper 'thumb in the air' stuff though. My range can vary 10% day to day on the same bike, depending on how tired I am, and it only takes small adjustments to the support strategy to make big changes in range. It would be interesting to do the maths...I used to think that, but have changed my mind now, some motors do heat up a lot more than others and are quite a bit more inefficient than others, at least at max assistance.
For e.g. my Yamaha based Giant does 1600m climbing in max assistance with an 800Wh battery, whereas my riding group will do the same loop with me on their 700-720Wh Bosch and Brose systems, with noticibly more assistance usage from them (i.e. a 400% assist Bosch and Brose pull harder than a 400% assist Yamaha). Similar weights, bikes etc. So there can be a 10-15% difference in range for the same battery capacity.
That said I do believe Bosch, Brose and Shimano are quite similar in efficiency, so it is reasonable to believe the DJI is around the same. But, considering the DJI maxes out so much higher in torque and wattage, I would be optimistic that it is much cooler than the others when tuned to similar assistance as a maxed out Bosch.
I’m waiting for one more motor to be releasedNow we want an MGU vs DJI face off Rob! Tell us which is the new generation for ebikes!
Unlikely, margin over a frame is relatively small compared to a whole bike.Does anyone know or think they’ll be offering this as frame only, for those that like to spec their own builds?
On embn there was also something a sponsored video as you can see.
On the one had the range he got from the bike was weak enough (1000m up, 35km with 20% left), but on the other hand, I checked his strava to confirm the above stats, dude picked up half the KOMs in the area both up and down, good sign!
Confused . . if you can't get far enough on a given battery you're going to be riding a much shorter distance on an analog bike or by riding an ebike in turbo.I don't know what the obsession is with range, if you can't get enough cycling in with an 800w battery then maybe go back to an analog rig, or ride harder in turbo. I don't think ebikes are a good fit for people who like to grind out a whole day in eco.
I also think that people do not understand people are riding different stuff on emtb.Confused . . if you can't get far enough on a given battery you're going to be riding a much shorter distance on an analog bike or by riding an ebike in turbo.
My eMTB in 'eco' is a perfect fit for a day out riding ~50k on single tracks over 6hrs, with a bit of 'trail' towards the end, leaving <10% battery. Anything else would mean a much shorter ride and much less fun.
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Is Amflow not selling mostly direct?Tough thing.
Screws the dealers, yet you'll certainly need them for warranty repairs.
Is Amflow not selling mostly direct?
Let's add the VAT and customs rights?Tough thing.
Screws the dealers, yet you'll certainly need them for warranty repairs.
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