Dji avinox- Amflow

[Suns_PSD]

Unfortunately it will be specd with the desaster 600 Wh battery.. So it is out of the Game

I'm not used to so much drama, hyperbole & fainting from a German. So well done there!

I almost certainly will buy the E-Druid to replace my Relay. I don't have mountains, just very rocky hills and gorges and a couple of bike trips per year. Also, I'm a strong pedaling dude that still rides my Smuggler a lot. As such, I don't need tons of battery watts as currently I do more than fine with 430 watts on my Relay.

The e-Druid is likely to be positioned similar to the Druid, an All-Mountain very rowdy trail bike. Perfect for my needs. The E-Dreadnaught on the other hand will likely be the self-shuttle DH rig and will be more deserving of the 800W battery.

Also, it's been said that Forbidden is specing their own 600w battery for the E-Druid and as such it likley will perform differently. Maybe it's related to fitting their frame design? I do think offering clients an option of a larger battery, particularly on the larger sizes, would seem to make more sense. But maybe that's not in the cards.

The issue with larger batteries is that the extra size ends up being right over the front end, so it has an outsized impact on the bike's handling. Personally, I'm a proponent of a bit smaller battery for day-to-day riding, then a huge Range extender for mountain trips. What people seem to forget when they complain about losing the water bottle holder to the RE, is that on a RE day, you are going to have to carry a pack either way.

 

[Lexle]

I'm not used to so much drama, hyperbole & fainting from a German. So well done there!

I almost certainly will buy the E-Druid to replace my Relay. I don't have mountains, just very rocky hills and gorges and a couple of bike trips per year. Also, I'm a strong pedaling dude that still rides my Smuggler a lot. As such, I don't need tons of battery watts as currently I do more than fine with 430 watts on my Relay.

The e-Druid is likely to be positioned similar to the Druid, an All-Mountain very rowdy trail bike. Perfect for my needs. The E-Dreadnaught on the other hand will likely be the self-shuttle DH rig and will be more deserving of the 800W battery.

Also, it's been said that Forbidden is specing their own 600w battery for the E-Druid and as such it likley will perform differently. Maybe it's related to fitting their frame design? I do think offering clients an option of a larger battery, particularly on the larger sizes, would seem to make more sense. But maybe that's not in the cards.

The issue with larger batteries is that the extra size ends up being right over the front end, so it has an outsized impact on the bike's handling. Personally, I'm a proponent of a bit smaller battery for day-to-day riding, then a huge Range extender for mountain trips. What people seem to forget when they complain about losing the water bottle holder to the RE, is that on a RE day, you are going to have to carry a pack either way.

You can see the difference in derating of 600Wh vs. 800 Wh in the graph. Also the 600 charges slower and will not not deliver the full power. I do not believe such a small company like forbidden will do an own battery.. But let‘s see..

 

[Mad_Angler1]

I still find it hard to believe DJI will support 3rd party batteries. Is this actually confirmed as happening or just rumor ?

It just makes little sense for them to not sell it as a system and force as such like Bosch.

Let's be honest there really is no benefit and all downsides for DJI to allow it. Any issues with the battery makes them look bad regardless.

 

[Lightme]

I still find it hard to believe DJI will support 3rd party batteries. Is this actually confirmed as happening or just rumor ?

It just makes little sense for them to not sell it as a system and force as such like Bosch.

Let's be honest there really is no benefit and all downsides for DJI to allow it. Any issues with the battery makes them look bad regardless.

You have no idea what commercial arrangements Forbidden have with DJI and their battery partners. It might not be possible, but it’s easy to imagine an arrangement where it is.

 

[Lexle]

You have no idea what commercial arrangements Forbidden have with DJI and their battery partners. It might not be possible, but it’s easy to imagine an arrangement where it is.

Which battery partners of DJI? Thought those are their own ones..

 

[Mikerb]

The early details of the DJI did seem to suggest that it could be supplied to other bike brand as a complete eco system.

 

[Mad_Angler1]

You have no idea what commercial arrangements Forbidden have with DJI and their battery partners. It might not be possible, but it’s easy to imagine an arrangement where it is.

DJI Release the Avinox drive system not just the motor and are heavily promoting it as a system.

The battery and BMS is a key part of any E system. DJIs benefit today is power, fast charging and overall power delivery over the others and that' not all motor. It's as much as a result of the battery and its BMS all taken from djis years of experience making batteries for their drones.

DJI released Avinox with two battery options as well. That's all engineering cost and every single part of their advertising, manuals and even the user guide talks about this as a system with all th DJI components.

IV said it before DJI does not do working with others well and I just don't see it makes any sense for them to sell just a motor and display and then have the downsides of someone else's battery, BMS and charging.

It's a system and DJI will want you fully in their system.

 

[datnat]

Any idea who manufacture's the frames for Amflow?
Seriously considering one, coming from the RM Altitude PP, looking for something lighter and was facing the reality it would mean less power/range, but the Amflow could be the best of both...?

 

[Tooks]

said it before DJI does not do working with others well and I just don't see it makes any sense for them to sell just a motor and display and then have the downsides of someone else's battery, BMS and charging.

DJI doesn’t make batteries anyway does it?

The ‘engineering’ and build of the battery was likely done by one of their battery partners to a DJI requirement.

If Avinox is going to be adopted by bike manufacturers, particularly smaller lower volume ones, then they’ll likely need to be able to access more than one battery design in 2 capacities.

This is new territory for DJI, they can’t vertically integrate as much as they have with the Amflow (or any of their drone products) as they’re working with other companies as a supplier.

Whatever, they’ve done a great job with the Amflow and I wait with interest who else starts putting the Avinox in their bikes.

 

[khan]

I'm quite interested on this emtb. Is it possible to use an external range extender? This is a feature I look for, for those day long mountain trips.

 

[Astro66]

I'm quite interested on this emtb. Is it possible to use an external range extender? This is a feature I look for, for those day long mountain trips.

There is no range extender, but the 800Wh battery recharges really fast. Like 10-85% in 90 mins. So a lunch break near a power source would extend your riding significantly.

 

[khan]

There is no range extender, but the 800Wh battery recharges really fast. Like 10-85% in 90 mins. So a lunch break near a power source would extend your riding significantly.

Theres lots of wild routes here at mountains where I live with no power sources near available, also I'd rather prefer not depending on that when I plan a route I like. I like the feeling of getting lost deep in nature away of civilization, far out of reach of power sources. This would put me off. I'm ok with the battery not being replaceable, but not having a way of using a portable source of power to ensure range cover on long and harder trips is a deal breaker to me. Not to mention when the built-in battery starts to wear in time.

 

[Biano44]

Theres lots of wild routes here at mountains where I live with no power sources near available, also I'd rather prefer not depending on that when I plan a route I like. I like the feeling of getting lost deep in nature away of civilization, far out of reach of power sources. This would put me off. I'm ok with the battery not being replaceable, but not having a way of using a portable source of power to ensure range cover on long and harder trips is a deal breaker to me. Not to mention when the built-in battery starts to wear in time.

Clearly with the Amflow not having the option available it rules it out but I’m curious, with priorities you have stated, which bikes do work?
Whats on your list?

 

[Binhill1]

Theres lots of wild routes here at mountains where I live with no power sources near available, also I'd rather prefer not depending on that when I plan a route I like. I like the feeling of getting lost deep in nature away of civilization, far out of reach of power sources. This would put me off. I'm ok with the battery not being replaceable, but not having a way of using a portable source of power to ensure range cover on long and harder trips is a deal breaker to me. Not to mention when the built-in battery starts to wear in time.

Not being removable stops me getting one. Too cold in my shed at least 4 months of the year for storage and charging . Couldn't see me with a 40 foot extension cable for charging outside a cafe . Or maybe they would let me wheel it inside mud as well.

 

[khan]

Clearly with the Amflow not having the option available it rules it out but I’m curious, with priorities you have stated, which bikes do work?
Whats on your list?

I have actually no list. Just got interested in the Amflow when I saw it's overall specs for that price, but I was initially expecting, at least, a way to use an external portable battery. Not that I'm gonna use it always, but I want to have that option for occasional long trips.

Not being removable stops me getting one. Too cold in my shed at least 4 months of the year for storage and charging . Couldn't see me with a 40 foot extension cable for charging outside a cafe . Or maybe they would let me wheel it inside mud as well.

To me, part of the beauty of this hobby is to being able to get lost in nature, occasionally for day long journeys where yur won't find "power stations" for charging. I like to stop for lunch in the wild, no restaurants or lunch services around.

 

[Binhill1]

I have actually no list. Just got interested in the Amflow when I saw it's overall specs for that price, but I was initially expecting, at least, a way to use an external portable battery. Not that I'm gonna use it always, but I want to have that option for occasional long trips.


To me, part of the beauty of this hobby is to being able to get lost in nature, occasionally for day long journeys where yur won't find "power stations" for charging. I actually like to stop for lunch in the wild, no restaurants or lunch services around.

Yes I too like the wild country 800 would do me though ,I'm not young anymore .Few rides I would like to do but would need another 15 miles out of battery. Then I would be looking at longer still probably. Sixty miles range would be plenty for me. Good luck

 

[Lexle]

I think DJI is working on a range ex, at least they registered the demand..

 

[Astro66]

Theres lots of wild routes here at mountains where I live with no power sources near available.

Then I'd look at a bike with a removeable battery, so you can bring a spare. A battery extender doesn't add a lot of range.

I carry an inverter in my car and recharge my battery at my car, during lunch, when on an all day ride away from a power source.

I think DJI is working on a range ex, at least they registered the demand..

Look at the spacing between the frame and the shock on the PL Pro. You could only fit a very small battery. I don't think they'd bother.

 

[Doomanic]

Does the frame have bottle bosses?

Look at the spacing between the frame and the shock on the PL Pro. You could only fit a very small battery. I don't think they'd bother.

Only if it follows current design cues and looks like a water bottle. They could produce something like a Tamiya RC car battery (remember those?) that would have a much lower profile.

 

[Astro66]

Does the frame have bottle bosses?

Yes

 

[Astro66]

They could produce something like a Tamiya RC car battery (remember those?) that would have a much lower profile.

It really needs to look like a bottle. It would spoil aesthetics, IMO. Look at the extenders on most EMTBs.

 

[Doomanic]

It would spoil aesthetics, IMO

You won't be able to see it while you are riding, and that's the most important part of owning a bike, right? I mean, if aesthetics are more important how do you explain all the Haibikes out there?

 

[Binhill1]

I always thought you need to let battery cool down at least an hour before charging. Then another 90 minutes to get a half decent charge. I could have a 3 course lunch and a decent 40 winks afterwards. I could handle that I suppose .

 

[Ou812]

I always thought you need to let battery cool down at least an hour before charging. Then another 90 minutes to get a half decent charge. I could have a 3 course lunch and a decent 40 winks afterwards. I could handle that I suppose .

When I was seriously racing RC cars we would charge the batteries then discharge them and charge them right back up. The idea was to heat cycle the battery to bring them up to temp for the race trying to get any little advantage you could. I tend to treat my bike battery the same, I’ll ride it down to 15-20% or so and charge it right back up.

 

[Binhill1]

When I was seriously racing RC cars we would charge the batteries then discharge them and charge them right back up. The idea was to heat cycle the battery to bring them up to temp for the race trying to get any little advantage you could. I tend to treat my bike battery the same, I’ll ride it down to 15-20% or so and charge it right back up.

Not a clue about batteries to be honest just that it's been said on here many times not to charge after a ride. I have usually had enough by time battery is done . Saying that Ft Augustus then up and over the Corrieyairack to Melgarve bothy and back to Fort Augustus . That's my limit with a 700 battery. 20 miles if it is

 

[khan]

It really needs to look like a bottle. It would spoil aesthetics, IMO. Look at the extenders on most EMTBs.

I don't care much for aesthetics when this drops in favor of functionality. Anyway, for me it doesn't mean for the extender to be a piece attached to the frame. I'd be fine with an external battery I can carry in my backpack, just plugged with a cable to the emtb. This would give me at least more freedom on to planning longer trips.

 

[nrgbod]

A 10S 2P pack of LG M58 cells would give 400Wh and should be easy to make fit a bottle holder on the PL Pro.

 

[Lexle]

I’m sure DJI will bring one, but I think 250 Wh will be enough and a good compromise

 

[Astro66]

There is a company in Australia that does aftermarket Extender Batteries for Shimano, because Shimano doesn't have them. You just have to install a new battery wiring harness. The extender then just parallels off the positive and negative 36 volts bus.

I'm sure they'll build a harness for the DJI System if it proves popular.

 

[Lexle]

There is a company in Australia that does aftermarket Extender Batteries for Shimano, because Shimano doesn't have them. You just have to install a new battery wiring harness. The extender then just parallels off the positive and negative 36 volts bus.

I'm sure they'll build a harness for the DJI System if it proves popular.

Vola in Spain is also doing