Derestricting bosch smart system

[hallohallo]

Hi does anyone have any info regarding derestricting the new bosch smart sytem 2022?
Best regards

 

[Karolis.zabl]

Sadly the tuning kits for the 2022 engines aren't available yet as I have heard, they should release some in the second quarter of the year

 

[Polaris]

Interested in this also

 

[friendlywrench]

Will be interesting to see how this cat and mouse game continues to progress.

 

[stratosa]

Tuning e-bikes with Bosch mid motor and Smart system - Package: BAG, Qty: 1 pcs

PROPERTIES: Maximum speed: 50 km/ h Display shows: &nbsp actual values (only in km/h) &nbsp correct travelled distance (after the countdown process is &nbsp finished) Activation: WALK function / + - + - Indication of tuning activation/deactivation: YES (2,5/9,9 km/h) Compatible ...

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[JMP85]

Pre orders being taken now. Inaccurate speed and distances on Kiox.

 

[stratosa]

Pre orders being taken now. Inaccurate speed and distances on Kiox.

Hi, how do you know that there is Inaccurate speed and distances on Kiox? Have you test it?

 

[Polaris]

Pre orders being taken now. Inaccurate speed and distances on Kiox.

Where did you read that you get inaccurate speed displayed? The description reads that it is accurate. €9 to pay by PayPal though.. Why?!

 

[stratosa]

Where did you read that you get inaccurate speed displayed? The description reads that it is accurate. €9 to pay by PayPal though.. Why?!

If you are interested try

SpeedBox 1.1 for Bosch Smart System

SpeedBox 1.1 for Bosch Smart System. The tuning chip for e-bikes with the newest Bosch Gen4 motor and Smart System. SpeedBox 1.1 enables you to suppress the speed limiter on your e-bike. When in use, the display shows the real speed up to 22.2 km/h. After exceeding this speed your actual speed...

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i think they do not ask more for Paypal

 

[Polaris]

If you are interested try

SpeedBox 1.1 for Bosch Smart System

SpeedBox 1.1 for Bosch Smart System. The tuning chip for e-bikes with the newest Bosch Gen4 motor and Smart System. SpeedBox 1.1 enables you to suppress the speed limiter on your e-bike. When in use, the display shows the real speed up to 22.2 km/h. After exceeding this speed your actual speed...

www.twowheelsempire.com

i think they do not ask more for Paypal

I’m not too fussed about accurate speed on kiox, that can be tracked by other means. Hardest part will be stopping the system or LBS from auto updating FW further down the line and bricking the speedbox lol

 

[stratosa]

I’m not too fussed about accurate speed on kiox, that can be tracked by other means. Hardest part will be stopping the system or LBS from auto updating FW further down the line and bricking the speedbox lol

Nobody can guarantee you anything. Either you stick to 15mph or give it a try.

 

[Polaris]

Has anyone bought and fitted the speedbox 1.0 for the smart system yet.. Any feedback?

 

[Polaris]

the bad ass dongles will work on the smart system but mileage and speed will show half going over 10 mph and have the kiox display butt gen 2 cx.

i have had my bike on the bosch diagnostic software twice and it can not see it even spinning the rear wheel, well had to try it pmsl.

tho any dongle you wire in to the motors could be bricked with a firmware update and will show error 504 triggered the anti-tampering algorithm and your bike is now in limp mode. To remove error code 504 your options are to either reset it with Bosch diagnostic tools (Take it to a shop) or physically ride your bicycle for 90 minutes (Feel the burn .

i did ask at the shop if any bosch bikes had been in with this error and not 1 so far

Cheers for update, I have a couple of badass dongles from previous bikes but how would it fit..? The dongle slides over the chainstay receiver and interrupts the signal.. the new Bosch smart system has integrated components that you can’t get to to fit a dongle?! And the fact you have a gen 2 kiox and not the 300 suggests you don’t have the Bosch smart system… gen 4 perhaps?

 

[Polaris]

it depends where the sensor is and the magnet but if you can get the dongle on the sensor it will work.

m8 has a canyon bike and had to pull the cable out of the rear just enough to get it on the dongle and is held on with cable ties but it does work just looks a bit naff.

worst case you will have to remove the sensor cable from the frame and put it where it will work.

i have a gen 2 cx motor and this display.

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my cx motor was 0 miles and brand new with peters bearings in it you should have seen the look on there faces when they plugged it in lol.

Sorry mate what are you going on about, I’m confused lol.. this thread is all about derestricting the new, 2022, Bosch smart system. Of course all other versions of Bosch can be derestricted, but as of very recently (last week) only 1 option exists to do this and it’s the speedbox v1.0.

Badass do not currently have a solution to derestrict the 2022 Bosch smart system and their old models will not work. Your mates canyon will have a shimano (ep8) probably.. again a completely different system. Let’s try to stay on point lol.

 

[Marcharry]

Sorry mate what are you going on about, I’m confused lol.. this thread is all about derestricting the new, 2022, Bosch smart system. Of course all other versions of Bosch can be derestricted, but as of very recently (last week) only 1 option exists to do this and it’s the speedbox v1.0.

Badass do not currently have a solution to derestrict the 2022 Bosch smart system and their old models will not work. Your mates canyon will have a shimano (ep8) probably.. again a completely different system. Let’s try to stay on point lol.

Don’t know much about Pairtune but it’s apparently in stock

PearTune 4.0 Tuning Chip for Bosch Smart System | EBIKE TUNER

Latest tuning chip suitable for eBikes with 2022 Bosch Smart System eBikes. This performance tuning chip is easy to install will completely derestrict your eBike.

ebiketuner.com

 

[Polaris]

it wont take long for all the others to catch up but id not get any dealer updates if it is wired to the motor.

Mine has the latest update with motor lock feature. Other than that what else can they give you that’s worthwhile? I’d be happy with North American limit.. UK 15mph seriously blows

 

[slavio]

Hi,

Any users of the new Speedbox 1.0 for Bosch Smart System here? I installed mine but the thing I notice is that with Speedbox installed my walk assist becomes intermittent/less powerful than before. Thouhts anyone?

 

[Marcharry]

Hi,

Any users of the new Speedbox 1.0 for Bosch Smart System here? I installed mine but the thing I notice is that with Speedbox installed my walk assist becomes intermittent/less powerful than before. Thouhts anyone?

didn't know it had been released yet?

 

[slavio]

BES3 Tuning: SpeedBox 1.0 – Neues Tuning für Bosch Smart System 2022 verfügbar | E Bike Tuning Blog

SpeedBox 1.0 – Neues Tuning für Bosch Smart System 2022 jetzt lieferbar Tuning Optionen für den neuen Bosch Smart System 2022 E-Bike Antrieb sind derzeit noch äußerst rar gesät (oft wird das System auch bezeichnet als „Bosch BES3“, was einfach nur für „Bosch Entwicklungsstufe 3“ steht). Es...

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[davosaurusrex]

@slavio - does it use the countdown timer at the end of a ride to fool the anti tamper software like the previous version?

 

[slavio]

@davosaurusrex - yes, indeed.

 

[BeBiker]

Don’t know much about Pairtune but it’s apparently in stock

PearTune 4.0 Tuning Chip for Bosch Smart System | EBIKE TUNER

Latest tuning chip suitable for eBikes with 2022 Bosch Smart System eBikes. This performance tuning chip is easy to install will completely derestrict your eBike.

ebiketuner.com

Please avoid PearTune like the plague.

The PearTune on my Brose didn't work anymore, then:
-they refused to answer emails
-Paypal refused to pay me back, but opened a case
-PearTune sent me some messages
-PearTune said me to send the item.
-then there was suddenly no answer anymore.
-Paypal refused to pay me back and closed the complaint.

 

[2WheelsNot4]

I've never understood why the need to de-restrict the motor. If you care to,thats fine, im not being judgemental, just wondering why.

Is it the need for speed, to go ever faster ?
Increase of speed has the motor running for longer, which drains the battery quicker and limits the range.

 

[BeBiker]

Just being able to follow a group of 10 analog Mtb riders of 30-50yrs old for 35-55 km on gravel, bush, asphalt, cobblestone, enduro, field roads.
Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Polaris]

I've never understood why the need to de-restrict the motor. If you care to,thats fine, im not being judgemental, just wondering why.

Is it the need for speed, to go ever faster ?
Increase of speed has the motor running for longer, which drains the battery quicker and limits the range.

Why would you be looking and commenting on a forum that is dedicated to derestricting then lol, makes no sense…?!

I’ve had ebikes for years and the 15mph cut off is abysmal and you go from having an advantage to a disadvantage in a heartbeat, it shouldn’t be a complete restriction but power reduced to 15% or so to compensate for the extra weight you are now slogging around which nagates the whole point of an ebike. it’s a dumb theory.

Most of us don’t want to hit 50mph, just keep up with our old selves and mates who have analogue bikes on the flats. The North American limit of 22MPH would suffice for most.

 

[2WheelsNot4]

ust being able to follow a group of 10 analog Mtb riders of 30-50yrs old for 35-55 km on gravel, bush, asphalt, cobblestone, enduro, field roads.

Thanks for that. Makes perfect sense. But wont it drain the battery a lot faster, so getting 35-55km on enduro must put the battery nearly our of power under normal circumstances, let alone increased drain of de-restriicting
What size of battery is on that.

Why would you be looking and commenting on a forum that is dedicated to de-restricting then lol, makes no sense…?!

This forum isnt dedicated to de-restricting motors, just this one thread. In fact the forum itself is against this, thats why theres a disclaimer at the top.
What I was doing was asking the reason.

Not sure why you've decided to get all defensive on the subject. Are you ashamed or something.

 

[Polaris]

Thanks for that. Makes perfect sense.


This forum isnt dedicated to de-restricting motors, just this one thread. In fact the forum itself is against this, thats why theres a disclaimer at the top.
What I was doing was asking the reason.

Not sure why you've decided to get all defensive on the subject. Are you ashamed or something.

It’s the thread I meant, why bother even looking in if you are against it or it’s not your thing? Do you visit make up forums and post useless posts there too? In fact this forum isn’t against derestricting ebikes, the disclaimer is to point out the legalities of it and not to endorse it to cover their own backs. You’ve read why we think de restricting is a positive thing now feel free to move along if you still don’t agree champ.

 

[BeBiker]

Hey guys, calm down, I think you both typed just 1 not-needed line, the rest was nice and constructive.

...Most of us don’t want to hit 50mph, just...

and if we do, it's down an asphalt road without pedalling

 

[2WheelsNot4]

It’s the thread I meant, why bother even looking in if you are against it or it’s not your thing? Do you visit make up forums and post useless posts there too? In fact this forum isn’t against derestricting ebikes, the disclaimer is to point out the legalities of it and not to endorse it to cover their own backs. You’ve read why we think de restricting is a positive thing now feel free to move along if you still don’t agree champ.

Again you're going on the defensive matey. Im not against de-restricting.
So take your nonsense and mouthy comments and respectively shove them up your 4r5e.

nd if we do, it's on down an asphalt road without pedalling

I dont think ive quite got to that speed yet on freewheel, though i have set off a couple of speed cameras that were at the bottom of hills. 50mph on my ebike i'd be crapping myself

 

[Motohawk75]

Anyone have any further luck on derestricting the bosh smart system ? Im sure there must be plenty of people out there that have but no one ever admits it as if there scared to