Bafang M500 and M600 motors

[Curiousman]

From Bafang,

We also improved hardware for matching this new upgraded software. We just want to provide you the best solution to test.

Thank you for helping us to test our new software. Very looking forward to your comments.

They said they also improved hardware for matching this new upgraded software… so there must be some modified / changed parts inside the engine … right ?

 

[IsacVries]

Hi...i have below questions regarding motors.
- It isn't UART yet CANBUS, how is the programming going to work? The apparatus utilized so far to program the Ultra and different motors appears to be impossible.

- What displays will work with the motor?

- How is the circumstance in regards to getting extra parts? From what I can accumulate, it appears hard to difficult to get them if something breaks.

There ought to be appropriate documentation accessible as PDF for everybody. Each gasket, screw, pinion ought to have a section number so one can arrange from an ideally adequate stock if something breaks in a couple of years and one would not like to discard the edge with the engine.

 

[Neeko DeVinchi]

Hi...i have below questions regarding motors.
- It isn't UART yet CANBUS, how is the programming going to work? The apparatus utilized so far to program the Ultra and different motors appears to be impossible.

- What displays will work with the motor?

- How is the circumstance in regards to getting extra parts? From what I can accumulate, it appears hard to difficult to get them if something breaks.

There ought to be appropriate documentation accessible as PDF for everybody. Each gasket, screw, pinion ought to have a section number so one can arrange from an ideally adequate stock if something breaks in a couple of years and one would not like to discard the edge with the engine.

Whilst I'm more familiar with the M400 and M620 Bafang motors, I have usually relied on, GreenBikeKits (GBK). I would send them an email to see whether they have spares of the M500/M600.
I'll leave a link to their website below and yes, they do ship to the UK.

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[patdam]

is somebody have the wiring of speed sensor ? i have purchase one for spare (and try to use magnet on disq) but it have not the same connector than M500/600. thanks if somebody could avoid i cut my original sensor to check

 

[Timmy65]

i fell over this one for the bafang m600. and just wanted to share it

Luna M600 Silent Gear

Distributors and builders of life changing electric bikes.

lunacycle.com

I placed the silent gear in my M600, and it was more quiet.

 

[Animalector]

I placed the silent gear in my M600, and it was more quiet.

I did the same a couple of weeks ago. And it's much better. Not silent... But a vast improvement

Andy

 

[Timmy65]

So, after a year and 1800 km with the m600 i got a code 25. something to do with the torque sensor.I can ride the bike, but
If i ride 20km/h the display skips to 50km/h back and forth, so the pas acts unpredictable..I took out the torque sensor, examine
it, but cannot find some defect.
Maybe it has to be recalibrated. I have the besst tool and try this if i get an account with Bafang.
In the mean time I placed a new motor so i can at least enjoy my riding.

 

[KaroKönig]

I placed the silent gear in my M600, and it was more quiet.

With my 600er it has only brought a slight improvement. By decoupling it from the frame and using insulating panels, it only became really quiet

 

[markus datgloi]

Looks like its a kind of bitumen insulation. What are the heat insulation proporties ?
What did you use for the e-motor mounts ?

 

[KaroKönig]

Looks like its a kind of bitumen insulation. What are the heat insulation proporties ?
What did you use for the e-motor mounts ?

These are self-adhesive bitumen mats from car accessories, I used 1mm sealing paper to attach the engine

 

[PadreParada]

These are self-adhesive bitumen mats from car accessories, I used 1mm sealing paper to attach the engine

How thick are those bitumen mats? Have you consider future issues in the motor, because the bitumen mats may not transfer heat to the frame, and all heat may stay in the motor?

 

[KaroKönig]

How thick are those bitumen mats? Have you consider future issues in the motor, because the bitumen mats may not transfer heat to the frame, and all heat may stay in the motor?

Since the carbon frame does not absorb any heat from the engine anyway, the decoupling does not play a thermal role. the insulation mat is about 3mm thick and sits in a place where no wind comes to cool anyway. I have driven it up to now about 1200 miles and had no overheating problems even in summer ?

 

[savas]

Hi Karokoenig,
how would you compare the m600 to Brose or Bosch?What i am interested is the sensitivity, smoothness.I thinking to buy m500 or m600, just not able to decide.I would love to test them, but unfortunately there are no bikes around me with these motors.
I like these damping matts i will use this with the shimano motors-e6000 i have on the city bikes.They are kind of loud.

 

[KaroKönig]

Hi Karokoenig,
how would you compare the m600 to Brose or Bosch?What i am interested is the sensitivity, smoothness.I thinking to buy m500 or m600, just not able to decide.I would love to test them, but unfortunately there are no bikes around me with these motors.
I like these damping matts i will use this with the shimano motors-e6000 i have on the city bikes.They are kind of loud.

Unfortunately, I only have a comparison to the current brose in the Rotwild RE 750 from my buddy.
The response behavior of the 600er is roughly similar, the volume is also pretty much the same, only the performance and the torque of the M 600 is a lot better

 

[Niklas Kinn]

I placed the silent gear in my M600, and it was more quiet.

is your M600 from Luna or from dengfu?

some say the M600 new from dengfu is made with plastic gear ??‍

 

[Timmy65]

is your M600 from Luna or from dengfu?

some say the M600 new from dengfu is made with plastic gear ??‍

One year ago my M600 from Dengfu came with the steel gear, and 2 months later i replaced it with the luna peek gear.

 

[Niklas Kinn]

One year ago my M600 from Dengfu came with the steel gear, and 2 months later i replaced it with the luna peek gear.

okay maybe i should open my engine and see what's hiding in it. while my frame is still with the painter

 

[Timmy65]

okay maybe i should open my engine and see what's hiding in it. while my frame is still with the painter

There are some nice videos to find how to do it

 

[savas]

Unfortunately, I only have a comparison to the current brose in the Rotwild RE 750 from my buddy.
The response behavior of the 600er is roughly similar, the volume is also pretty much the same, only the performance and the torque of the M 600 is a lot better

Oo that's sounds really good.So brose 2.0, i had a kenevo with 1.3 and the performance of the motor was enough.Thx for the feedback!

 

[KaroKönig]

okay maybe i should open my engine and see what's hiding in it. while my frame is still with the painter

You must be careful if you open your motor, on my first attempt i had destroyed the controller when i came to the circuit board with the screwdriver during removal and i had recently received this notice from FLX bike:

 

[savas]

Hei Guys
do you know if i can buy in Europe a m500 m600 mounting plate
FP G520?

I have emailed bafang , but as you can expect no answer.

 

[Niklas Kinn]

You must be careful if you open your motor, on my first attempt i had destroyed the controller when i came to the circuit board with the screwdriver during removal and i had recently received this notice from FLX bike:
View attachment 54107

thanks for you post ??

 

[Zimmerframe]

Very helpful !

The text, so it's easier to search for in the future, well, hopefully ! :

Additionally my mechanic has
passed on some words to assist
with the installation of your new
controller:
"When Thomas replaces his
controller, it is absolutely
paramount, that he not turn the
crank arms at all while the
original controller is removed. If
he does the new controller will
likely need to be calibrated and
because he is in Germany, it will
very expensive for him to send
us his motor to perform a
calibration."
If you have any further
questions or there is any more I
can assist on please do let us
know!

 

[KaroKönig]

I'm just wondering where all the M 500/600 produced are installed? What actually became of the American Eagle prototype?
Spy Shot: American Eagle E-MTB Fully mit neuem Bafang M500-Motor | E-MOUNTAINBIKE Magazine

 

[savas]

This is very good question. I saw some brands in the Czech Republic using this in some cheap hardtails around 2k euro.

 

[pushkar]

Hi...i have below questions regarding motors.
- It isn't UART yet CANBUS, how is the programming going to work? The apparatus utilized so far to program the Ultra and different motors appears to be impossible.

1. If you are using our controller (Archon X2 / aka Innotrace X2), then programming is straightforward.
2. Bafang is coming out with its own hardened Nylon gear, and will be in our motors by default. No need to buy PEEK add-on.
3. The motor upperbound will be 750W nominal (still testing if there are any other limits) with around 1100 W peak.

- How is the circumstance in regards to getting extra parts? From what I can accumulate, it appears hard to difficult to get them if something breaks.
There ought to be appropriate documentation accessible as PDF for everybody. Each gasket, screw, pinion ought to have a section number so one can arrange from an ideally adequate stock if something breaks in a couple of years and one would not like to discard the edge with the engine.

1. Watt Wagons will stock the motor and parts in the US. Innotrace will stock the motor / parts in EU.
2. We dont have a full catalog of these parts yet but hope to have it by May / June this year.

 

[pushkar]

I did the same a couple of weeks ago. And it's much better. Not silent... But a vast improvement

Andy

We have worked with Bafang over the past year and the "silent gear" will be standard in all new motors (atleast the ones Watt Wagons is going to offer) at no additional price. I am pretty sure Bafang will provide the same motor to everyone else as well. Note that the upperbound on the gear is 750W nominal / ~1100W peak.

 

[Neeko DeVinchi]

I know this thread is specifically for Bafang M500 & M600 but I'm gonna do my best to get a hold of one to compare against the predecessor 'M400'. But first things first, let me build the bike up better so it can match up ?

 

[Afaixeda]

Hi there. Bafang is including the silent gear on all m600 moving forward. You don’t need an aftermarket part anymore.

in terms of firmware, Innotrace and Watt Wagons are launching the upgraded controller for m600. Very easy to tune / tweak. The motor also is much more responsive. Same stuff as the m620 firmware we currently have.

we will be selling motors with upgraded controller in the US in May / June timeframe, and also bikes With the new m600 motor.
Happy to answer questions.

Thanks for this info mate !!

I have ordered the M600 engine since December and my fear was the noise, I am very happy to hear that now they will all come quieter.

Luna cycle not sell to Spain for buy silen

I'm going to pray that I get the new hardware on M600

Do you know how external signal, reference or mark they can be differentiated ?

Many thanks again

 

[pushkar]

Thanks for this info mate !!

I have ordered the M600 engine since December and my fear was the noise, I am very happy to hear that now they will all come quieter.

Luna cycle not sell to Spain for buy silen

I'm going to pray that I get the new hardware on M600

Do you know how external signal, reference or mark they can be differentiated ?

Many thanks again

Umm.. i dont know if there is a demarcation. However the ones we are getting next month are all silent gear embedded in them. You have to ask whoever you ordered it from.

You can also always switch to metal if the silent gear doesnt work for some reason.

If you are in spain, might be cheaper to get it from Innotrace - they will be selling it (germany).