Another boring tyre question .. Kenevo .. best for natural trails with endless wet rock and roots ?

[outerlimits]

As for tyre choice @Zimmerframe
-You want knobs
-You need to know what those knobs do and how they react.
-You need those knobs to be black, as apparently once you go black you never go back.
-it’s helpful if the knobs are rubber but can have steel spikes if you’re hardcore and don’t mind the pain as you slip off.
-Inserts can be helpful and it will make the knobs feel stiffer.
-Large long black knobs can be fun to ride, especially in the mud, but don’t be greedy, as you’ll need those large knobs to be well spaced. Think like,. Pace your self.
-Most of all you need to learn how to ride the knobs properly.
- Once proper knob riding is established you will never slip off a wet root ever again.

Listen to Gary, he really is 100% correct. Sounds like this man has been riding big black knobs most of his life ?

 

[Swissrob]

Maybe you should change your bike shorts and seat? It won't help with grip but will be a lot more comfortable in ass clenching moments!

I am faced with a similar dilemma, the last section of my ride is always the same heavy clay and root garden. Tyres can't overcome my lack of skill or fatigue at this point. Speed or more importantly acceleration helps me, any brakes and you are screwed. So I traverse it by heavy braking then roll through until I heavily brake and repeat the process. Even light rear braking loads the front suspension so you have less control. Over time my speed has picked up but I am still crap but don't fall down.

 

[Binhill1]

Cambered wet roots , only get away with so many then wallop . Stabilizers maybe

 

[Zimmerframe]

Stabilizers maybe

You don't really think I've taken them off yet do you !

 

[outerlimits]

You don't really think I've taken them off yet do you !

I thought this may of been a pic of you.

 

[Binhill1]

You don't really think I've taken them off yet do you !

I will post a pic of my rootsville next time I go there, probably this afternoon.

 

[Zimmerframe]

I thought this may of been a pic of you.

I thought I was being followed !

He seems to have my "motorcycling background" transfer weight to the inside problem !

 

[DrStupid]

Concerning riding skills. This is a very well produced book. I'm working through the first sections on trail stands, and it is helping me to have a structured approach with goals that are measurable.

http://www.wildgrip-publishing.com/

 

[Zimmerframe]

2.8" Bontrager XR4 Team Issue rear. Both 27.5" & run tubeless at 20psi.

I run the bikes original 2.5" size on the front (steers better than a 2.8") and a 2.8" on the rear to help stop pinch flats and a bit more grip.

Ah crap .. more contenders ! More tabs ...

Are the County and the Taps still the goto places ? Or are you more Burlingtons direction ?

 

[Zimmerframe]

Knobs !

Thanks for all the ideas so far .. and the philosophy from @Gary Zen and the art of the mountain bike .... or was it just an excuse to bang in Knobs and Bone in the same post ?

As we know ... I need to learn how to ride .. and session ... session some more .. and session a bit more .. I know how to crash now .. actually I knew how to crash - I'm good at that .. But I practice that a lot less .. Does that mean I'm getting crap at crashing ? Is that bad or good ?

So on the other PC I have a zillion images and was going to do a long boring post about all the different tyres .. I still will later if I get time... as they're interesting to compare back to back, all together in one place.

Ignoring the fact that I need to learn how to ride .. I still want to change the tyres as I'm not convinced that the Butchers give "satisfactory" grip where I want it (based on my limited experience with different tyres).

so ignoring my huge boring post I've not written yet .. I'm straying towards the e-wilds to be a Guinea pig .. They supposedly have a soft compound, so should help with grip on the slippy things... not that trails are littered with recently used dildo's (sorry, carrying on the none philosophical part of @Gary s post) .. not where I ride anyway, this might be different depending on where you ride. I'm actually too scared to search Strava for "Dildo Alley" "Dildo Descent" ? "Deadly Dildo" ?

Thinking 2.6 front and 2.8 rear .. I know some people on the forum have used them, but there's not actually much info out there about them ..

 

[Gary]

If you rode your bike as much as you've procrastinated here...

Jus sayin'

 

[Zimmerframe]

If you rode your bike as much as you've procrastinated here...

Jus sayin'

Wisdom TWO days running !!

You are correct .. hang on ... I 100% agree with @Gary

1 Legs out of action for a few days, sadly, it's the one I pedal with.

 

[Gary]

Being wise isn't a part time gig...

Sharing is

 

[outerlimits]

This thread is about useless as the grip porn thread and has just as many, if not more sexual Innuendos. ?‍

Really @Zimmerframe it sounds like what you want in a tyre is not yet available on the market. Perhaps you should be looking at prototypes and or inventing your own.
Take the below, for an example. You may need a run up, but this sort of thing will enable you to kick ass on wet roots and rocks. It’s a step closer if you like to the ultimate solution for you, so surely it’s a shoein.

 

[ian6354]

Interesting review of EC vs Maxxis DHR2/DHF.

eMTB Tire Review – DHR2/DHF vs Eddy Current – Matter-Replicator

 

[Zimmerframe]

Interesting review of EC vs Maxxis DHR2/DHF.

Thanks for that..

@rsilvers has been busy !! Great review, interesting !! I really think you should also buy the e-wilds as well as the "Assegai in MaxxGrip and with the DD" which you have on order. You can never have too many tyres ... It will also push you to find interesting uses for tyres you don't like ..

 

[CjP]

Thanks for that..

@rsilvers You can never have too many tyres ...

I agree with this, my room smells of rubber every time I walk in. It’s great!

 

[Binhill1]

I agree with this, my room smells of rubber every time I walk in. It’s great!

Mine smells of bike wash really fed up washing a bike every single trip I have I'm moving California

 

[CjP]

I love washing my bike when it’s muddy. It’s like a new bike every time.

 

[Binhill1]

I love washing my bike when it’s muddy. It’s like a new bike every time.

You get yourself up to Buckie my mate 4 times a week you can wash it. You'll get a belly button softie and a mince pie every day

 

[CjP]

You get yourself up to Buckie my mate 4 times a week you can wash it. You'll get a belly button softie and a mince pie every day

No disrespect and I could be tired but I understood not one thing you just said.

 

[Binhill1]

No disrespect and I could be tired but I understood not one thing you just said.

No disrespect and I could be tired but I understood not one thing you just said.

Bit of Scottish language thrown in there Christian, didn't know you were from Melbourne .

 

[CjP]

Hahaha I’m glad as I thought I was tripping.
If I’m ever in Scotland I’ll take you up on the mince pie.
As for the belly button softie, I’m getting some horrible images in my head of what that could be.

 

[Binhill1]

Hahaha I’m glad as I thought I was tripping.
If I’m ever in Scotland I’ll take you up on the mince pie.
As for the belly button softie, I’m getting some horrible images in my head of what that could be.

Just a local bread bun , softee is sweeter only problem you can't stop eating them.

 

[CjP]

Just a local bread bun , softee is sweeter only problem you can't stop eating them.

Ah much better than what I thought it was.

 

[Zimmerframe]

You know you can't come in here and talk about sensible things ???

I might have to change the thread title, if you base it on content, it's quite miss leading ..

 

[B1rdie]

If the question was: what gloves are better for holding a greasy banana. I would say: its not the gloves, but the way your hands grab it.

 

[Zimmerframe]

Discounting sessioning and learning to ride without my stabilisers ..

I went for the e-wilds.

Prioritising towards wet/slippy/greasy conditions, from here and as many reviews as I could read through and ROOT out the crap, the ideal combo seems to be 2.8 eddy Current on the rear and a 2.6 soft Magic Mary on the front.

The E-wilds are still pretty new and from @Tim69 's extensive back to back testing they seem to perform as well, or better, in general conditions. So, it will be interesting to see how they feel in the hands of the "Muppets", like myself, who obviously need a bit more tyre hand holding and presently lack skill,ability,experience,balance,technique ... but need something which gives some confidence compared to a butcher in the wet.

Some additional useless facts :

Eddy Current 2.8 27.5 : 1350g
Magic Mary 2.6 27.5 SG snake (soft) : 1250g
E-Wild 2.8 27.5 REAR : 1310g 2.6 : 1220g
E-Wild 2.8 27.5 FRONT : 1090g 2.6 1000g
Butcher Grid 2.8 27.5 : 1073g

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Discounting sessioning and learning to ride without my stabilisers ..

I went for the e-wilds.

Prioritising towards wet/slippy/greasy conditions, from here and as many reviews as I could read through and ROOT out the crap, the ideal combo seems to be 2.8 eddy Current on the rear and a 2.6 soft Magic Mary on the front.

The E-wilds are still pretty new and from @Tim69 's extensive back to back testing they seem to perform as well, or better, in general conditions. So, it will be interesting to see how they feel in the hands of the "Muppets", like myself, who obviously need a bit more tyre hand holding and presently lack skill,ability,experience,balance,technique ... but need something which gives some confidence compared to a butcher in the wet.

Some additional useless facts :

Eddy Current 2.8 27.5 : 1350g
Magic Mary 2.6 27.5 SG snake (soft) : 1250g
E-Wild 2.8 27.5 REAR : 1310g 2.6 : 1220g
E-Wild 2.8 27.5 FRONT : 1090g 2.6 1000g
Butcher Grid 2.8 27.5 : 1073g

Nice.
here’s your test track!

 

[Rusty]

Good track for @Zimmerframe to experience epic crashing. Only see one crash though ........