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Yes good points there ?

The problem I see with the 12 and even 11 speed is the width of the chain and the teeth on the cassette. smaller means more wear regardless of how many cogs to play with.

When I buy a 2020 bike with 12 speed (as all new ones appear to have) If I want to get 10 speed fitted instead will the free hub need changing too and if so will it fit onto a hub designed to take 12 speed?

Can’t help you there @DeezNutzz but was also wondering (and was going to post a thread till I saw this pop up) about longevity of these 12 speed cassettes n Chains. Bloody expensive so would hope to get a thousand miles (I get 2000 out of SLX on my old 10 speed Stumpy)

Running eco like that will it feel like I lower powered version of the Bosch on EMTB mode?

The thing I’m more interested in than the weight difference between the SL and a Levo is the motor characteristics. Especially the higher cadence ability of the Creo verses the Bros. i Like to spin at around 90rpm and above so I’m hoping I’ll be able to feel the support at those higher cadence.

If weather doesn’t go mental again I’ve got one booked for next weekend. Hoping to get a 30 mile 2500ft climbing ride in on Saturday and then a hour n half blasting round trail centre (Haldon hill or Bodmin ) on the Sunday. Fingers crossed.

I weigh 65kilos. Do think a fox 34 would flex with a dwarf on board ?

I’m in exactly the same situation as you. Worried about spending 5k and not being happy with the spec. test ride booked but hidiou weather forecast so cancelled till next week.

As anyone heard of creo motors on the road bike having any issues? It’s been around for at least 6 months and roadies tend to do a lot more miles. i visited a Trek dealer today and had a quick spin round the car park on a Rail. Demo booked on the SL but waiting for invisi kits to be fitted. Is...

That looks a good investment! My garage needs clearing out, 3 mtbs, a road bike and a tandem taking up too much space ?. When I buy my E bike two of the mtbs and my e bike would go in here a treat.

It is a brilliant place to ride. I’m on the Plymouth side and we h@ve some fantastic trails locally in the woods too. Spoilt for choice. ?

Hi, I’ve been lurking for about a month now and have been trawling through lots of threads, mostly about reliability issues as I’m concerned about spending 5k on a munter. I'm 58 and fed up injuring myself on a regular ( non E bike) Mtb and need to ride different routes that don’t break my...