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Thank you. You say no-one cares? I bet to differ. We have a health service that’s geared up for this. Every year, globally, we devote a huge effort to find the most effective vaccine in a very short time and distribute that before flu season hits. It has probably saved the lives of people who...

For those who quote numbers please provide links. And for those that say ‘people die, deal with it’. This is an unprecedented event for our modern society. This is a lesson on how we pull together to protect those less fortunate than ourselves - either due to economic inequality or to protect...

Just wondering, unless I missed it, did we ascertain the weight of the standard alloy bike when it arrived? You’ve done a large right? In my head the carbon version is around 18.2kg with tubes, no pedals (happy to be corrected on that too!).

Apologies if some view a Guardian article as being political but there’s no politics in it and some of us might find message, if not uplifting, helpful. Radical niceness will see society through the coronavirus crisis | Anouchka Grose

Before anyone misunderstands me, I like to think kindness, compassion and community spirit will go some way to getting us all through this. These values are something I hold dear anyway but this is what is needed across the board in times of crisis. If you are in a position help the vulnerable...

I think if any of us put figures in our posts a link to the source material should also be posted. One model that’s been discussed is this. And remember it’s just a model based on today’s assumptions. The article has a link to the Imperial College (a prestigious London university) source paper...

@jcmonty the blue link looks great on there with the fork and pedal blue touches.

OK, instead of all the little snipes start a thread that engages people maybe? It’s easy to knock people and talk down to them in a bid to ease a clear insecurity about something, it’s much harder to build a sense of online community. This isn’t PinkBike man.

Why do you even bother with this forum @Gary? I actually value some of the knowledge you bring here but you do it such an ungracious way. It’s a real pity.

Of course but when you buy a brand it’s up to them to deal with the level of quality control etc that they define. That’s the value they add as a third party. And Gary, I’m not an idiot Sheesh. It’s not always something so anonymous though. Merida make the Specialized stuff in Taiwan...

Yes, but would you buy a white label MTB let alone a EMTB?

We’ll that’s how most of us on here seem to have treated them!

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Caught any interesting viruses recently? No, me neither ?

My bad, I meant serious e-MTB are that range though Decathlon might now have something to say about that. Anyway, yes I give up.

Despite my better judgement, I’ll bite. These guys enjoy them. ?✌? Video: Hazzard Racing Glide Through Winter Slop in 'Time and Tide' - Pinkbike

I’m not really thinking of that. My question is more along the lines of what would people see as the natural pricing for a frameset/motor/battery etc. Bikes are roughly £3500-10000 right? Anyway, regardless I’d rather be shooting the shit over this than Covid-19 regardless of the ridicule I...

Just answer the god damn question man. You‘re the lord of the bike industry and we all bow down to your supreme knowledge. ?

Yeah it’s not a realistic estimation. The RRP is interesting to know. The question is then: what is a realistic premium for any frameset where there’s an electric equivalent. And would the market stand that?

I can partially answer my first question. The Alpine 6 S model is £3600 and the equivalent Surge S is £6000 (both with the same RockShox shock, a frame only with this shock is £2350). Effectively this means Orange value the battery and motor for the E8000 at £2400 or thereabouts so the frameset...