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that's what I thought. I liked the picture better

What color is that?

Ibis Oso!

I got that too. Not that exciting. Maybe 2024 will be a major upgrade.

Exactly. Rise: You have to manage the gears like you used to on an acoustic bike so gives you a different riding experience Than powering up on a full power bike.

Very interesting.

Interesting. I came across this one, too: Rubbee X Base Model23

How do you find these?

I would be interested in seeing how those compare to the Rise EP8RS

I am wondering if the Shuttle SL with the new Fauza motor is having motor hardware and software problems that are causing too many trips to the shop. (In looking at the Trek Fuel EXe forum, it appears the the TQ motor is causing significant problems to a number of people that make it high risk.)

No.

The regular smaller/lighter battery for most days and the range extender for long days. Adds versatility.

Since they don't have demos, Trek told me that if I wanted to return it within a month, no problem.

Is there a new one?

Bosch new race motor?

It looked like a big control unit on the left side so I thought of Bosch.

Very interesting.

Interesting, Thanks.