Levo Gen 3 Levo Gen 4 2023/4/5/6 Rumours...

Arminius

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Bermo EMTB

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I don’t need more power either , more range yes , as for the Specialized , Amflo argument personally I wouldn’t touch Amflo and that’s from someone who’s had issues with my Levo the last 18 months, at least I can get the Levo fixed relatively local, nearest Amflo dealer is 120 mile round trip
 

mustclime

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It was for me. The lower spec gen 4s won’t arrive here in the antipodes until mid year, so they weren’t even on the page.

Here is my decision multi-criteria analysis. 😉

YMMV

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Where does the ibis oso stack up on that chart? If I was ever going to try another plastic bike, that one would be near the top of the list. Amflow is to cross country for me.
 

Ridgydidge

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Where does the ibis oso stack up on that chart? If I was ever going to try another plastic bike, that one would be near the top of the list. Amflow is to cross country for me.
It was down to what was available at the lb shops. Orbea Wild was an option but too burly for my needs. The Chinese special handles 3 - 6’ jumps no problems - which is all I need.

That word count: 0
 

iXi

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I sold my gen 3 levo for an amflow. I hated way the levo clips power output when the motor is under constant load and heat becomes an issue, I'm not talking turbo mode either as 90% of my rides where always trail.

As for the bike itself the levo aluminium frame was way more rigid and felt rock solid going down the trails, the amflow is flexy and I'm not talking the stem and bars. If you're on the heavier side 100kg+ you'll feel it.

I would have liked another levo but not if they followed the gen 3 route. Also Specialized luxury tax is bs.
 

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I would conclude that if Ibis can sell its bike for $6,000, it just means that all the others who sell us bikes for more than $10,000 are taking the piss with their overly exaggerated prices ! ;)
Apparently you weren’t aware that the original priced Oso was a completely disaster when it came to sales for Ibis, so this lower price is just a swing for the fences to get some of their losses back.

I’m just guessing, but I can only image that Specialized sold 50 gen 3 Levo to 1 Oso, so a big difference here and NO comparison.
 

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Where does the ibis oso stack up on that chart? If I was ever going to try another plastic bike, that one would be near the top of the list. Amflow is to cross country for me.
The Ibis looks like great value to me at $5999 but wouldn’t like to be the dealer left with stock at the old price.
 

mustclime

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It was down to what was available at the lb shops. Orbea Wild was an option but too burly for my needs. The Chinese special handles 3 - 6’ jumps no problems - which is all I need.

That word count: 0
I weigh 100kg but I ride like I am 200kg. That bike wouldn’t last a month with me. The fork and stem are for xc or light riders with finesse . The trails I ride can best be described as rubble with rock rolls and g outs. Let’s be real, it’s a trail bike.
 

MLX John

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Not to forget, Ducati is famous for moto cross motorcycles……🙄
Not to forget, KTM is $840,000,000 USD in debt.
Maybe motorcycle pricing is not that realistic long term
 

cnholio

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Specialized USA launched their Spring Sale a few days ago, maybe that's a good sign?

My LBS said they usually find out 3 months in advance of a new bike launch, and they haven't heard anything about Gen4 Levo, so maybe that's not a great sign?
 

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I weigh 100kg but I ride like I am 200kg. That bike wouldn’t last a month with me. The fork and stem are for xc or light riders with finesse . The trails I ride can best be described as rubble with rock rolls and g outs. Let’s be real, it’s a trail bike.
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You’d be surprised if you actually tried. I weigh 100kg also, and ride chunky DH trails with decent drops to flat and it’s been flawless so far. Just add a burlier shock, fork and cranks. It smashes.
 

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the amflow reminds me of when the orbea rise came out, great power, battery etc light weight. Like the amflow it was a trail frame, it even looks very similar to the amflow. Exaclty same thing happened people put big forks on, changed linkages etc to make it what they wanted/burlier. New orbea rise came out, coil, travel increase everything everyone wanted and no one seemed to care this time around, hardly hear it mentioned. This will happen to the amflow, the next one will tick all the boxes but by then (like with the rise) the market will have caught up.


The new levo comes out in april, has 420nm and a glove box inside the battery.
 
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Lightme

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the amflow reminds me of when the orbea rise came out, great power, battery etc light weight. Like the amflow it was a trail frame, they even look very similar. Exaclty same thing happened people big forks, changing linkages etc to make it what they wanted/burlier. New orbea rise came out and no one seemed to care this time around, hardly hear it mentioned.


The new levo comes out in april, has 420nm and a glove box inside the battery.

That’s true, but cherry picking. The same could be said of the Levo SL and G3 Levo, except people are still talking about them. I did it with mine of both of those. People are over-stroking Valas and almost all Kenevos by now I’ll have been over stoked.

People will always adapt a bike to their needs and choose a bike based on how they can adapt it to their needs.

My Amflow is 2kg heavier than when it started, but so much better for it, for what I ride. And still 2.5kg lighter than my Crestline.
 

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That’s true, but cherry picking. The same could be said of the Levo SL and G3 Levo, except people are still talking about them. I did it with mine of both of those. People are over-stroking Valas and almost all Kenevos by now I’ll have been over stoked.

People will always adapt a bike to their needs and choose a bike based on how they can adapt it to their needs.

My Amflow is 2kg heavier than when it started, but so much better for it, for what I ride. And still 2.5kg lighter than my Crestline.

The logic of over forking levo sl g3 etc can be the same thing, but what im trying say is the orbeas weight and power was what drew people in. What im trying to highlight is the amflow is a desirable package as it offers something no one else does, which at the time the orbea did also. The am flow is popular due to its weight and motor package not the frame, same with orbea rise. The amflow at the moment is a make do for people wanting the power and weight right now, no ones going jesus christ that frame is what i always wanted.
 

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The logic of over forking levo sl g3 etc can be the same thing, but what im trying say is the orbeas weight and power was what drew people in. What im trying to highlight is the amflow is a desirable package as it offers something no one else does, which at the time the orbea did also. The am flow is popular due to its weight and motor package not the frame, same with orbea rise. The amflow at the moment is a make do for people wanting the power and weight right now, no ones going jesus christ that frame is what i always wanted.

Yep def agree. I bought the bike for the value and the motor, and for the parts I had on hand.
Though I would say all brands are guilty of adding under-specced parts to reduce claimed weight. Mostly tyres, as this can easily save over 500g. Every bike I’ve bought has ended up weighing significantly more than claimed.

The Amflow frame is not spectacular. Though it is quite good and can far better than the haters would like to think. The motor and integrations are however amazing, as is the value.

I do think they should sell an enduro spec so people like me don’t have to swap everything over. I think the only thing original on mine right now is the headset!
 

iXi

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the amflow reminds me of when the orbea rise came out, great power, battery etc light weight. Like the amflow it was a trail frame, it even looks very similar to the amflow. Exaclty same thing happened people put big forks on, changed linkages etc to make it what they wanted/burlier. New orbea rise came out, coil, travel increase everything everyone wanted and no one seemed to care this time around, hardly hear it mentioned. This will happen to the amflow, the next one will tick all the boxes but by then (like with the rise) the market will have caught up.


The new levo comes out in april, has 420nm and a glove box inside the battery.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if the amflow slowly fades into obscurity while other manufacturers take on the avinox motor. Let the bike manufacturers that know how to make bikes make the bikes and let dji concentrate on the motor, software and battery Tech.
 

Ribinrobin

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Dont get me wrong i dont think its a bad frame/bike. I just know that no one would be rushing to buy amflow if it had a bosch motor in and similar figures to other emtbs. The amflow is the motor package/weight, the frame is a make do.
 

MTB-WALES

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Dont get me wrong i dont think its a bad frame/bike. I just know that no one would be rushing to buy amflow if it had a bosch motor in and similar figures to other emtbs. The amflow is the motor package/weight, the frame is a make do.
Frame balance, stiffness and quality are more important than extra nm, that doesn’t help you when you are doing what the bike was designed for… heading downhill as fast as possible
 

DuncanDoughnuts

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Yep def agree. I bought the bike for the value and the motor, and for the parts I had on hand.
Though I would say all brands are guilty of adding under-specced parts to reduce claimed weight. Mostly tyres, as this can easily save over 500g. Every bike I’ve bought has ended up weighing significantly more than claimed.

The Amflow frame is not spectacular. Though it is quite good and can far better than the haters would like to think. The motor and integrations are however amazing, as is the value.

I do think they should sell an enduro spec so people like me don’t have to swap everything over. I think the only thing original on mine right now is the headset!
Is that not where Forbidden will be coming in? I think there will a few "Enduro" brands running the DJI and good for them. Its seems like a brilliant system. And more choice the better for the industry.
 

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