Levo Gen 3 Levo Gen 4 2023/4/5/6 Rumours...

[Arminius]

Yesterday I went to my dealer and asked about available G3 carbon models in S4. Only COMP is still available for Germany. But I don't like the spec, I would simply have to convert too much. SWORKS is offered for 8.5k (but only in S2, S3... coming from 15K??) which makes it interesting for me as I expect 12k for the G4 PRO Modell... (talking in €€€€)...
As far as I know, PRO and SWORKS have only been available as 2024 models so far. I assume that the two will come as G4 2025 models and COMP, Expert and possibly alloy models will follow as 2026 models in fall.

I think you can check on the website for the model if there is a shop still having one available in Germany. Did you try that?

 

[ckkone]

Just spoke to the Specialized Rep 840 Kw battery with motor almost double the efficiency of current Levo so similar watts battery with alloy more range

new bike will come with fast charger 0-75% 40minutes

All that sounds great.

 

[Georgedukesa]

Just to put you guys in the picture , some of you were saying how expensive a Specialized SWorks is and 12000 dollars is ridiculously expensive and that they normal sell at 11 k etc , with the import duties the price of a Specialized Gen 3 Turbo Levo LTD is 15 200 dollars , and probably the new Gen 4 will be a very similar price , unfortunately it’s the price we pay in South Africa for these and other bikes TREK , etc etc etc so you guys are still lucky at the price points you getting

 

[TorAtle]

with the import duties the price of a Specialized Gen 3 Turbo Levo LTD is 15 200 dollars , and probably the new Gen 4 will be a very similar price , unfortunately it’s the price we pay in South Africa for these and other bikes TREK , etc etc etc so you guys are still lucky at the price points you getting

Don't worry, the orange buffoon in the current US administration is hard at work making this a reality for europeans too. Apparently it's "better" if we all just buy manufactured goods from our own region.

 

[Bndit]

I noticed that too, but. it. can't. be right... batteries are. around 200wh/kg, so having a difference of only 200g doesn't make any sense.

Anyway, still surprised the new brose motor is still claiming the numbers they already claimed at their first announcement 2 years back, feels like they should have upgraded the motor during all that delay. I am hoping. though specialised has somehow tweaked both he motor and the battery if that's what they are using, just from motor and battery. they would be 0.4(motor) +0.3(800 wh battery) = 700g heavier than DJI/amflow ( I don't even care much about peak power etc.). I mean I know they might still create a better bike, but it definitely feels underwhelming for Specialized to eventually make a new bike released nearly a year later than their rivals and be nearly 1kg heavier(the frame should be heavier,considering how Flexi Amflow seems to be) and underpowered(as I. said I personally don't find it that important... but even. marketing wise it definitely affects possible buyers).... we will see I guess..!

Amflow is not competitor to Specialized. Amflow is chinese bike, Specialized is premium. Closest competitors are Santa Cruz, Pivot, maybe Orbea also. Specialized is not probably using Brose batteries but do their own. Hard to imagine the bulk 800wh Brose battery in Specialized frame.

 

[singletrackminded]

EMBN mentions some big news due out around 3/7? We can only speculate that it involves Specialized. Meanwhile, the new Ibis OSO carbon is listed at 6K us. That could help set the market for 2025 hopefully.

 

[DS.]

I would swap out my Levo tomorrow if they made the amflow in a small

 

[Polar]

EMBN mentions some big news due out around 3/7? We can only speculate that it involves Specialized. Meanwhile, the new Ibis OSO carbon is listed at 6K us. That could help set the market for 2025 hopefully.

Ibis is getting pretty good reviews.

 

[TheSnowShark]

I would conclude that if Ibis can sell its bike for $6,000, it just means that all the others who sell us bikes for more than $10,000 are taking the piss with their overly exaggerated prices !

 

[ckkone]

Specialized is premium.

 

[Mike O]

EMBN mentions some big news due out around 3/7? We can only speculate that it involves Specialized. Meanwhile, the new Ibis OSO carbon is listed at 6K us. That could help set the market for 2025 hopefully.

I saw that. In this video Don and Steve acknowledge this is about Whyte, not Specialized.

 

[gbcoke]

I would conclude that if Ibis can sell its bike for $6,000, it just means that all the others who sell us bikes for more than $10,000 are taking the piss with their overly exaggerated prices !

It just means Ibis has a lot of components and obligations to a brand like Bosch and needs to move X amount of bikes in order to maintain them.
Ask Ibis distributors if they are getting the OSO and if they can make any profit on them.
Main reason for high prices is the bike industry's structure. You have the brand,than distributor,than dealer .All of them need some margin to make things work.
If you knew the actual cost of bikes to brands and margins they have you would be surprised that it even works.

 

[ckkone]

I would conclude that if Ibis can sell its bike for $6,000, it just means that all the others who sell us bikes for more than $10,000 are taking the piss with their overly exaggerated prices !

Ibis is using an old motor thats why its less expensive. You can get a PIvot Shuttle AM for $5999 right now as well.

 

[Mike O]

It just means Ibis has a lot of components and obligations to a brand like Bosch and needs to move X amount of bikes in order to maintain them.
Ask Ibis distributors if they are getting the OSO and if they can make any profit on them.
Main reason for high prices is the bike industry's structure. You have the brand,than distributor,than dealer .All of them need some margin to make things work.
If you knew the actual cost of bikes to brands and margins they have you would be surprised that it even works.

I think it is relevant that Specialized has purchased some dealers, ended relationships with others, and have an strong on-line presence in the form of Incycle.

I think this is a partial response to the "direct to consumer" brands.

 

[RichMorr]

I saw that. In this video Don and Steve acknowledge this is about Whyte, not Specialized.

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This is the new full fat Whyte I believe

 

[Mike O]

This is the new full fat Whyte I believe

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Maybe, but it seems odd that Whyte would put out such a mysterious "advertisement" for a product that was already in view.

We'll soon see.

 

[gbcoke]

So a Levo gen4 with a Bosch is called a Whyte ?

 

[Biano44]

Amflow is not competitor to Specialized.

100%!

Specialized didn’t see which way Amflow went and it’s left them in a spin.
If the Gen4 turns up with less power, heavier, more expensive……..they won’t experience anyway near the same market dominance they are used too.

People know when they are being played.

 

[mustclime]

Amflow is not competitor to Specialized. Amflow is chinese bike, Specialized is premium. Closest competitors are Santa Cruz, Pivot, maybe Orbea also. Specialized is not probably using Brose batteries but do their own. Hard to imagine the bulk 800wh Brose battery in Specialized frame.

Hello! You forgot Trek, both of their lines are designed to complete with each other. Levo vs rail+, Kenevo sl vs slash+, Levo sl vs exc+. You want to know what the new Levo is designed to complete with? Look at the rail+.

 

[bcmtb]

Amflow is not a competitor to Specialized? How...?

I would like a new, more powerful bike. I'm 100% gonna be cross-shopping the Amflow, new Levo, and whatever else comes to market (e-Druid?).

 

[Stephan II]

Don't worry, the orange buffoon in the current US administration is hard at work making this a reality for europeans too. Apparently it's "better" if we all just buy manufactured goods from our own region.

If the Potus gives Lai Ching-te (President of Taiwan) the same support as he did Volodomyr Selensky today, Specialized would have problems with its supply chain. He does not have to wage an economic war against Europe for this

Sorry, no politics

 

[DylanJM]

Hello! You forgot Trek, both of their lines are designed to complete with each other. Levo vs rail+, Kenevo sl vs slash+, Levo sl vs exc+. You want to know what the new Levo is designed to complete with? Look at the rail+.

I don't think Specialized are trying the compete with the Rail+. That thing is the most vanilla, middle of the road and boring release in a long time. Absolutly nothing ground breaking or progressive about it.

 

[ckkone]

If the Gen4 turns up with less power, heavier, more expensive……..

It will be all of those and still outsell the Alibaba Amflow. Yeah Amflow made a statement, lets check back in a year or two and see how those frames are doing. I've owned a few DJI products, none of them are still working.

 

[mustclime]

I don't think Specialized are trying the compete with the Rail+. That thing is the most vanilla, middle of the road and boring release in a long time. Absolutly nothing ground breaking or progressive about it.

Just out of curiosity, have you seen the new rail? The geo is good, the standover is good, they are offered in alloy. It can run 180mm fork and has a big battery. the only issue I have is it’s only 160mm in the rear. I would take a rail over that flexie amflow all day long.

 

[Doomanic]

It’s ugly though. At the Amflow looks good.

 

[DylanJM]

Just out of curiosity, have you seen the new rail? The geo is good, the standover is good, they are offered in alloy. It can run 180mm fork and has a big battery. the only issue I have is it’s only 160mm in the rear. I would take a rail over that flexie amflow all day long.

Yes I have. My comment was specifically in relation to the new one. There’s nothing impressive about it imo. If anything I think the Rail is about one more iteration away from becoming a full on eSUV/gravel path tourer.

 

[kntr]

It’s not that light. Per Amflow’s site it’s at least 44lbs, and that’s only with a Fox 36, EXO/EXO+ tires, and a total weight limit of only 275 lbs where most e-bikes are rated for 300+. That’s part of the reason they could reduce frame weight leading to some reviewers mentioning the lack of stiffness.

Im just saying under 50 lbs with a 800-1000wh battery can be done now. The newer batteries are getting lighter.

 

[kntr]

I don't think Specialized are trying the compete with the Rail+. That thing is the most vanilla, middle of the road and boring release in a long time. Absolutly nothing ground breaking or progressive about it.

I agree about the new Rail+ being a little vanilla. Although the new lighter/quieter gen 5 Bosch and lighter 800wh battery is pretty sweet. Plus it can take a battery extender which makes it pretty tempting. If I didnt get a crazy deal on a new Levo last month Id be on a Rail+. Ive had 6 Levos and really thought about the Rail+.