jcmonty
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Ha.. probably not an incorrect statement. But I would also point out that i had the stock butcher on for 600 miles, and it seemed to wear longer.#Lovesbackbrake
Ha.. probably not an incorrect statement. But I would also point out that i had the stock butcher on for 600 miles, and it seemed to wear longer.#Lovesbackbrake
Ok pic of box and quoted figures.@outerlimits Any chance you can get some measurements of the tread and the casing width? Assuming that you are still on 38mm rims as well? I have been eyeing those tires, but have heard they are fairly small for 2.6
Side note - I have been running a WTB 2.6 Trail boss on the rear of my Kenevo w/ SC Reserve 37. True 2.6 (even slightly wider at tread) on 37mm rims. Other than a pinch flat early on running too low pressure, i have been loving the tire. Rolls great, grips well and is super predictable compared to the stock butcher. Tread wear seems higher than the Butcher it replaced, but I am ok with that given the performance. WTB also sent me a free tough casing to try when I told them about the early pinch flat. Can't complain about that!
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I pushed my 2.8’s beyond their limits, now it’s time for something different. I like my new treads, even if they fall out of spec measurements wise. I plan on taking them to the limit, and hope not they go beyondZWhat is the obsession with measuring tyres these days?
You can see straight away by eye if a mounted tyre is the sort of width you like and what profile it gives on your particular chosen rim width.
the actual measurement is not important. it's tread patern, knob height, block spacing, profile, casing construction and rubber compound that gives the tyre it's grip not a mesurement between caliper jaws.
Assuming you have chosen a tyre appropriate for the conditions what IS actually important is learning the traits of the tyre eg. how the lean over in turns affects it's grip, where, how and why it breaks loose, what traits it has when it does break loose, the grip limit and whether it will be saveable when it does break loose. All of these traits have to be learned from riding. Put your calipers and tape measures away and ride the bike instead. start using common sense and pushing your tyres towards their limits..
Currently running the stock Butchers on a 2019 Levo and find them a bit wishy washy and sluggish. I’m a heavier rider (100kg) so tend to run my tyres a little firmer than some (25 - 30 psi) and tubeless. I ride all year, mainly on the likes of man made trails (Swinley, FOD, bikeparks) along with some natural muddy singletrack.
It seems that Maxxis Minions DHRII WT are cool and the information here suggests Dual Exo is probably the way to go. The remaining question is will I likely notice any issue going from 2.6” to 2.4” or is this all industry cobblers?
I was going to grab a pair of these .... I guess I’m just looking for some confirmation these are likely the most appropriate choice ...
Maxxis Minion DHR II Folding EXO TR WT WideTrail MTB Mountain Bike 29er Tyre | Tredz Bikes
Same tyres, casing and compound?i dropped to smaller tyres in the summer and now back on the 2.6
Same tyres, casing and compound?
larger volume tyres in road isn't a new trend. it's been slowly happening for a good few years now. larger volume tyres are only really becoming popular with punters though and it's mainly for comfort reasons with actual racers staying around 25mm due to aero losses at larger volumes at the seeds they ride. That and the riders all being hard as nails/on drugs (delete as appt) so comfort is not of concern.
Rolling resistance is created by a combination of many things; tyre construction/carcus/TPi, tread patern, knob height, rubber durometer, weight, tube/tubeless, tyre volume and profile. So comparing completely different tyres tells you very little about the effect just raising tyre volume has on rolling resistance.
A wider higher volume tyre can roll more smoothly over rough ground but it also loses some of it's support and directness. Whether you'll be faster on a particular width/volume/pressure (using the same tyre in different volumes) has a lot to do with conditions and actual terrain but also the rider/riding style too. And forgetting rolling resistance/speed entirely volume choice also comes down to a riders personal preference/background/experiance.
Its a very interesting test that and really surprised me , I was in the 2.6 is the sweet spot camp and expected them to win on , although the 2.6 butcher is more like a 2.5 , so much difference in sizes between different tyres , even specialised 3 main tyres butcher pergatory and slaughter vary a lot in thier size and it seems carcass , even though they are all classified as grid .The road scene around here is pretty huge and as far as I'm aware the faster bunches all still mainly ride rim brakes and 25s all through the milder months. Come the colder months out come their full mudguarded up winter bikes and generally run on 28s
Seb Stott did a pretty good video for Bikeradar comparing the rolling resistance of 3 different width tyres going to great lengths to making it as evenly comparable as he could
here:
Full article:
What’s the fastest tyre size for mountain biking?
It's interesting for sure. And I love the attention to detail he's gone to. But...
Thing is Seb is just one rider. Using myself as an example Ok he's a fair bit taller granted but our entire riding styles are different, the bikes we prefer to ride (in the same places) are almost complete oposites with one of us preferring larger super stable long reach/wheelbase stuck to the ground bikes whereas the other's preference is for a short super poppy maneouverable bike that breaks free easily (up, down and sideways ) a lot of folk my height would feel sketchy riding fast on a bike as short as I like. Because of this our riding positions are totally different to each others and despite probably weighing a similar amount and riding at a similar speed don't even use tyre pressures anywhere close to each others.
Repeating Seb's entire test with another rider/bike the results may or may not not turn out the same
like I said we're all different. Just run what you like best (there's always going to be an aspect of trial and error and personal preference here). There's really no point worrying about the clock unless you're racing at the sharp end.
Having said that rolling resistance/wheel weight is definitely significant to Ebike battery range.
The largest, softest, stickiest most aggressively block treaded tyres can have upto 70W more rolling resistance in comparisson to a set of the lightest fastest harder compound xc racing tyres.
I think you’ll regret going down to a 2.4 especially for a heavier rider , i dropped to smaller tyres in the summer and now back on the 2.6 I realise I didn’t gain anything , result was less clearance more pedal strikes Easier to puncture , require higher pressure , less grip and slower rolling almost everywhere off-road
Would a 2.5” Minion DHF 3C Maxx Terra EXO work better on the front with a 2.4” DHR II WT DC on the rear as a compromise?
I think really you’ve gotta bite the bullet and just try what you fancy , There isn’t enough time for any rider to try every tyre and we’re all different , but what said earlier heavy rider smaller tyre I don’t think gives any advantage
Hey Benson, that is what I run on my 2018 levo and they are superb in slippery greasy rocks and roots. Was recently stunned when I broke a spoke in my rear 29er wheel and had to swap in the stock 27.5 inch wheel with 2.8 butcher tire. Suddenly the back end was sliding out on me everywhere compared to the Maxxis. This was even at extremely low tire pressures.Would a 2.5” Minion DHF WT 3C Maxx Terra EXO work better on the front with a 2.4” DHR II WT DC on the rear as a compromise?
Agreed so long as yours arnt warped and deformed like my hans dampf, massive sideways lump on mine, thought the rim was buckled but it was the tire.There will never be a better tire combo than Maxxis 2.6 DHF and DHR!!!
holds everywhere and doesn't roll on the rim like 2.8s
as for rolling resistance....who cares!!! it's an ebike!
Well, I cannot run a 2.4 tire as it will rub.you're both right.
it depends on the actual width you said tyre AND it's tread design.
just run a 2.4/5 and be normal. it's good to be normal
Well, I cannot run a 2.4 tire as it will rub.
Karsten
Nope, 2018 Levo with 29” and 34 mm inner width together with Maxxis Ardent 2.4. As a matter of fact I cannot even put the rear axle in as it goes solid up against the lover front triangle......uh?
WTF?
that's ridiculous. where is it rubbing?
are you running a wheelsize it's not designed for like a 29 in a 2.75 frame or something?
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