I actually have tons of patience.
But perhaps slightly less restraint than most when giving an honest reply.
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But perhaps slightly less restraint than most when giving an honest reply.
My 170mm Enduro bike weighs under 30lb and is perfectly appropriately spec'd, strong and durable enough for actual Enduro racing or park riding but I honestly find most 36lb Enduro bikes less fun for any actual trail riding that isn't mainly just long boring slow seated climbs as a means to get to the next Enduro "stage" and even then I HATE climbing on them. Which lets face it is 90% of your time during an enduro mtb race. I'd consider 28lb ridiculously heavy for an XC bike though as well. 36lb is the weight of many DH race bikes... and from what you've said here...
it seems you're happy with your Enduro bike riding like a DH bike. So fair enough.
Depending on where it's placed 1kg can make a pretty easily noticable difference to how a bike handles.
I don't even have bottle cage mounts on any of my mtbs but water bottle boss/cage placement usually fairly central which will mean a fairly neutral effect for handling. ie. if 700g were placed particualrly high/low or front/rearwards I'm fairly confident you would notice it's effect if you're as sensitive to bike set up as you think you are.
From your user name I'm going to assume you're in SoCal so would I be correct to assume you don't ride too often in mud? One thing you may not have even considered is that over here in the UK and Europe our bikes can easily end up weighing up to 5kg more at the end of a ride just from mud and water build up and because of that a 36lb Enduro bike like yours can actually end up similar in weight to your rise during an enduro race or normal days riding.
TBF whether one rider notices it or not is ultimately irrelevant. But I'm not sure why you'd seem to be arguing that weight it's unquestionbably unnoticable when you've also admitted you CAN notice it.
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On my Vitus, riding it with the 504wh battery vs riding it with the 630wh battery is very noticeable - there about a 1kg weight difference, but the way the bike rides changes with the heavier battery on it, harder to. lift up the front end and flick about.
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Isn't the USP of the Rise its 'lower' weight though, so with marketing publicity focusing on this it should really be accurate.
I don't recall it being advertised as the 'lower powered bike that you just have to pedal harder'.
I don't recall it being advertised as the 'lower powered bike that you just have to pedal harder'.
From my limited time on a Rise, the power difference between it and my E8000 Vitus is negligible out in the real world, but the 2kg plus weight difference was very noticeable. mostly in terms of the bike reacting quickly under you when needing to clear trail obstacles etc that you are not expecting.
Th trade off was ( bearing in mind my Vitus is running 180mm Zebs with 160mm rear travel so a very different bikes) was that my Vitus demolishes downhills and it rock solid/stable, whereas the Rise wasn't anything like as composed when you turned up the speed.
Having said that the rise was a lot of fun for my local trails, and probably a better suited bike for the Surrey Hills than the Vitus.
Th trade off was ( bearing in mind my Vitus is running 180mm Zebs with 160mm rear travel so a very different bikes) was that my Vitus demolishes downhills and it rock solid/stable, whereas the Rise wasn't anything like as composed when you turned up the speed.
Having said that the rise was a lot of fun for my local trails, and probably a better suited bike for the Surrey Hills than the Vitus.
Fast and rough is how I like it too...
And for me, a lighter, more maneuverable bike is better. I went from a Rail to a KSL and the KSL is far more fun to ride downhill.
.........How heavy is heavy and how light is light? How about the right weight for whatever discipline you use the bike for?And thats great for you which is why i said subjective
Have a good evening
The bike weight may be only 20/25% of the gross weight when you include rider weight............and where exactly is all that weight?
The centre of mass may be lower on a bike with a lower BB.
The distribution of total mass will be more evenly spread front to back on a bike with a longer wheelbase.
A heavier overall mass will be slower to accelerate but maintain better momentum.
A lighter mass will be faster to accelerate but momentum easier to stall.
A heavier mass will be more planted which equals more grip.
A lighter mass will be more flighty but easier to hop/lift etc.
So light v heavy only tells part of the story.
A heavier bike will be harder to control when things get a little sketchy.
maybe...depends whether regaining control relies on grip or a bility to decellerate. Certainly ( as you know) breaking points are much earlier on a full fat going downhill.
or easier.
depending on why it became sketchy and the best approach to taming said sketchiness
I prefer Black and white to colours. doesn't mean my preferences are the best choice in every situation
depending on why it became sketchy and the best approach to taming said sketchiness
I prefer Black and white to colours. doesn't mean my preferences are the best choice in every situation
Same reply stands
I can't remember what the actual weight of my M10 was by the time I'd changed the bars/tyres/saddle/tubeless/mudguards etc but it's way lighter than the full fat ebikes I ride with. Moved a friends Wild when we clearing a fallen tree yesterday and the difference it huge.
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