Those that have upgraded to kiox, convince me to do the same

[Rahr85]

As per the title, i'm in a position where my purinon screen is broken (still functional) so at a minimum i'm looking at a £70-90 outlay to replace what is broken.

For another £100(ish) i can upgrade to the kiox for something that feels a bit more... modern?

The only real downside i have just now is that i have got used to using my garmin and it may render it a bit useless.

Could someone who has one and preferably has upgraded to one having used the purion screen please give me some feedback of the differences and whether it is actually worth doing it. I do prefer to upgrade rather than replace where possible.

 

[Pigin]

Had Purion and really disliked it. Too basic and frugly. There’s lots more data at hand on the Kiox if you are into that and it’s more in keeping with what are expensive bikes. I liken the Purion to a 2021 car with a 1970’s dash. Yes I really dislike the Purion.

Route guidance isn’t brilliant as it doesn’t show junction detail so slight deviation is often vague. I never used a Garmin so I don’t know how it compares.

Im not sure that you will be any more convinced but you will feel a lot more in tune with what’s going on.

 

[EebStrider]

I've not used the Purion, as I had it taken off the bike before I took delivery, but the Kiox is a brilliant bit of kit. The Purion looks like it's from a 1980's Austin metro!

 

[Rahr85]

I need more than its appearance, that part doesn't bother me one bit. ?

 

[Pigin]

So if it’s functionality you are after it’s head and shoulders over Purion.

In real time you can get can stats such as cadence, watts, ride distance, total distance, duration of ride, time of day, battery level of bike and phone in percentage, your effort and motor output, heart rate if you have a BT HRM and I’m sure there’s more.

If you just want the basics when you are riding save your money.

I used the route guidance this weekend and my in-depth review is that it’s pants. This was what the post ride analysis showed. I think riding close to pylons was the issue. Either that or I was in an alternate Area 51. You may have seen another of my posts where the altitude numbers were sometimes BS but thats not Kiox but Bosch who’s at fault.

 

[Zimmerframe]

I think you need a nyon .. then you can create your own modes and get the firmware updates for the bike through the unit .

 

[Gyre]

I think you need a nyon .. then you can create your own modes and get the firmware updates for the bike through the unit .

If you can actually update the motor firmware with a Nyon that would be pretty killer. The Kiox is almost useless for anything but being a pretty face for the battery percentage.

 

[Zimmerframe]

Updates and software versions for on-board computers and drives

Retrofitting and keeping your pedelec and on-board computer up-to-date: you can find the current software versions and updates for Bosch eBike systems here.

www.bosch-ebike.com

 

[SwissMountainLeader]

It’s pretty lousy tech all round really. The positioning of the models is muddled and I doubt it’s making a great deal of commercial sense for Bosch either. You’d imagine partnering with someone like Garmin would make more sense but they have their own bewildering product lineup.

More ambitiously, a standard interface across the industry allowing third parties to do their magic would be better.

I think an example of how poor this is is the fact the upgrades need cables altering which is just poor design and limits their sales I’d think.

 

[Gyre]

Updates and software versions for on-board computers and drives

Retrofitting and keeping your pedelec and on-board computer up-to-date: you can find the current software versions and updates for Bosch eBike systems here.

www.bosch-ebike.com

I'm 99% sure that's about updating the Nyon firmware, not the motor firmware. My dealer was saying the same thing about the Kiox until I finally got his Bosch tech to work with me.

 

[Zimmerframe]

I'm sure I read something the other week about bosch motor firmware updates and it said if you have purion or Kiox, visit your dealer, if you have nyon check on the system to see if there is an update to download. Posted it on here somewhere ..........

 

[carlbiker]

If you can actually update the motor firmware with a Nyon that would be pretty killer. The Kiox is almost useless for anything but being a pretty face for the battery percentage.

Exactly this actually ?, that % is very useful however, you can also follow your GPX routes via the Kiox, it’s still not as good as your phone though or probably your garmin. Best thing is to just youtube it really, it’s all there.

I’m In a similar position with a Kiox that I have to rubber band to keep working and need to replace but I’m not spending £200 on it, been tempted to buy a nyon in a few weeks but I’ll keep my eye out for a second hand kiox if I can find one

 

[Tubby G]

I know I’m in the minority but the Purion display is ideal in my opinion. All I need are nice big buttons to change modes with gloves on, a clear B&W digital display (not LED or colour as you can’t see it in sunlight) showing speed, range & battery. Purion does exactly that. Yeah it’s not pretty, and it’s a bit oversized and dated looking, but it does the job

I also use a Garmin, that shows me distance travelled, time, speed (again), directions if I’m doing XC in unfamiliar terrain, upcoming hill gradients and so on

I really don’t get why your average Joe that’s just bombing down trails or going for a leisurely ride over your local hills & woods needs to know cadence, power, heart rate etc etc. If you’re Bradley Wiggins training for the next Tour de France then fair enough, but mountain biking for most is an adrenaline sport based on hanging on for dear life and you’re concentrating on the trail in front of you and not the fancy display on your bars. Am I missing something ?

 

[Pigin]

Am I missing something ?

Shoe cleaner? ?

It doesn’t stop me having fun as well as keeping an eye on ‘ what’s occurrin ‘ at the appropriate time.

I’m clearly not your average Joe, thanks ?

 

[Tubby G]

Shoe cleaner? ?

It doesn’t stop me having fun as well as keeping an eye on ‘ what’s occurrin ‘ at the appropriate time.

I’m clearly not your average Joe, thanks ?

Funnily enough I do need to clean my shoes. My Five Tens are covered in blood after a pedal strike earlier following a failed jump with my saddle at full height

I wasn’t having a dig at you Pigin, I only read Rahr’s question at the start of the thread and my response was based on that

 

[Gyre]

I really don’t get why your average Joe that’s just bombing down trails or going for a leisurely ride over your local hills & woods needs to know cadence, power, heart rate etc etc. If you’re Bradley Wiggins training for the next Tour de France then fair enough, but mountain biking for most is an adrenaline sport based on hanging on for dear life and you’re concentrating on the trail in front of you and not the fancy display on your bars. Am I missing something ?

It's the difference between checking tire pressure by pinching sidewalls or using a pump with a gauge. Both will get you up and down the mountain. Some people prefer the gauge.

 

[Tubby G]

It's the difference between checking tire pressure by pinching sidewalls or using a pump with a gauge. Both will get you up and down the mountain. Some people prefer the gauge.

I see what you’re saying but don’t think that’s a great analogy. I’m sure most people use a gauge when checking their tyres. It was a genuine question, I’m not trying to belittle anyone. I suppose I class MTB’ing as an extreme sport, similar to skateboarding, BMX’ing, snowboarding and so on. Cadence, power and all that data to me is associated with fitness and road biking. I just see a large expensive data screen on a mountain bike as something that is unnecessary and could easily break in a spill

 

[Pigin]

Funnily enough I do need to clean my shoes. My Five Tens are covered in blood after a pedal strike earlier following a failed jump with my saddle at full height

I wasn’t having a dig at you Pigin, I only read Rahr’s question at the start of the thread and my response was based on that

It’s all good, don’t worry. We all prefer different bits of kit and it would be so boring if everyone had the same. What on earth would we have to spend our money on otherwise.

 

[Pigin]

I see what you’re saying but don’t think that’s a great analogy. I’m sure most people use a gauge when checking their tyres. It was a genuine question, I’m not trying to belittle anyone. I suppose I class MTB’ing as an extreme sport, similar to skateboarding, BMX’ing, snowboarding and so on. Cadence, power and all that data to me is associated with fitness and road biking. I just see a large expensive data screen on a mountain bike as something that is unnecessary and could easily break in a spill

You’re at it again ?. How sure exactly?
I pump my tyres up, sit on the bike kitted up and if they have the desired contact patch for what I need that day I’m good to go. Alternatively I could spend seconds altering for ambient temp, altitude and whatever else might concern me.
Extreme nowadays is risking a little extra sugar in my coffee. Oh to be in my twenties again, but then again I was skint back then. ?

 

[Tubby G]

You’re at it again ?. How sure exactly?
I pump my tyres up, sit on the bike kitted up and if they have the desired contact patch for what I need that day I’m good to go. Alternatively I could spend seconds altering for ambient temp, altitude and whatever else might concern me.
Extreme nowadays is risking a little extra sugar in my coffee. Oh to be in my twenties again, but then again I was skint back then. ?

There was a guy in his 70’s that turned up at the table (the view at the start of Transmission) at Hamsterley on Sunday on a Turbo Levo. Thought he’d take the easy roll in to start but no he went full pelt at the drop and bunny hopped onto the trail. He was far more extreme than the guy’s in their 20’s who were jumping every transition ?

 

[Gyre]

I see what you’re saying but don’t think that’s a great analogy. I’m sure most people use a gauge when checking their tyres. It was a genuine question, I’m not trying to belittle anyone. I suppose I class MTB’ing as an extreme sport, similar to skateboarding, BMX’ing, snowboarding and so on. Cadence, power and all that data to me is associated with fitness and road biking. I just see a large expensive data screen on a mountain bike as something that is unnecessary and could easily break in a spill

It's the difference between subjective feel and data. Like anything else, it's a cost/benefit thing. If you think the benefit is negligible then don't worry about it. If you don't understand how anybody else could arrive at a rational and different conclusion, don't worry about that either.

 

[carlosaberto22]

Ive had both and I'm back with the Purion. The Kiox is good for battery % and for seeing what wattage output you and the motor are doing but that's about it. for everything else its not great at. mapping is rubbish, route recording is ok but it has to stay connected to your phone as it uses its gps, It doesn't automatically upload to Stava either like the Garmin. Garmin is much better all round for stats. biggest let down for me is that its not touch screen so you still need the remote on your bars and that's almost the size of the Purion, then you have the extra cable coming off that aswell to the Kiox. You also have the risk of of the Kiox flying off on the trails.

I'm not a fan of the Purion either but its the best of the bunch in my opinion. Hopefully Bosch will offer something better soon.

 

[SwissMountainLeader]

I really don’t get why your average Joe that’s just bombing down trails or going for a leisurely ride over your local hills & woods needs to know cadence, power, heart rate etc etc. If you’re Bradley Wiggins training for the next Tour de France then fair enough, but mountain biking for most is an adrenaline sport based on hanging on for dear life and you’re concentrating on the trail in front of you and not the fancy display on your bars. Am I missing something ?

That might be arguably why none of these devices are any good ?

There’s a huge interest in fitness and wellness, industry segments like the Apple Watch are being built on it and the recent lockdown related boom in bike sales is part of it. Having metrics to look at and measure improvements is something a lot of people want to see. But the devices themselves produce more data than actual information really where data is just numbers and information is actionable.

There’s the potential to get something useful, better understanding of the benefits of exercise, suggestions like “less assistance, pedal harder, go slower” on your regular laps and so on. Understanding how to manage battery use is an obvious application for example for anyone that likes a long day out. I don’t think Bosch have really got to grips with this at all.

More generally in the mountains data is quite for useful for anyone that can turn it into information. I mean that as a general comment rather that particularly cycle related though.

 

[Giff]

I was without my previous Cube for 3 weeks as after a heavy downpour the Purion failed. ( 3 weeks for the warranty to approve it).

So on the new Whyte it was the first thing to update.
The Kiox is waterproof.
The Kiox can be removed, and actually coded so the motor is mobile without the registered Kiox......and you do need to attach a (removable) safety lanyard.
Easier to see if mounted on the stem...and harder to damage.

 

[Mikerb]

The deciding factor for me is that Kiox adds another unecessary layer of software and hardware between the battery and motor and the electrical components are the achilles heal of all EMTBS. Far better if you are interested in the extra information and/or navigation to use a device that is not integrated into the bike.

 

[Rahr85]

I still haven't decided what i'm doing yet, i do quite like the idea of having a bit more info like my power output relative to the motor output but theoretically i should feel that much through my legs ? . With this new tour+ becoming available i might try and send it in for an update and get the kiox at the same time.

 

[Tribey]

The deciding factor for me is that Kiox adds another unecessary layer of software and hardware between the battery and motor and the electrical components are the achilles heal of all EMTBS. Far better if you are interested in the extra information and/or navigation to use a device that is not integrated into the bike.

Is this possible with Purion though?

My LBS would favour Kiox if I wanted to change, but steered me clear of Cobi.