Completely agree with that, I was right on the edge of a medium & large, but went for the medium as I don't like a bike to feel too big, & it's perfect for me, but might not be for someone elseFit on a MTB really is about personal preference and what feels right, regardless of any rules, guidelines, or opinions of others. But, I am continually surprised how many people here and on other forums choose to size up on this bike.
I get the impression anyone 6ft with a L is going to over the handle bars more than ideal from what I’ve seen people say, fine for trails perhaps but if your hitting steep techs dh then it might not be as stable plus on an XL./QUOTE]
Nonsense. Anyone with a modicum of skill won't be going over the bars because of a L vs. XL. I'm 6' with a long torso and much prefer the L due to better maneuverability with the slightly shorter wheelbase.
You didn’t get my point, I wasn’t meaning OTB offs, I’m talking the physical rider to bike fitting in relation to the bars etc, which if wrong probably does result in more offs in any case.
From the feedback (various forums/threads) I’ve read riders feeling too close or being ’positioned’ more over the bars due to it being tighter since Orbea has weird sizing; basically it seems the XL of an Orbea is actually a L in other brands so some experience a less stable feel going dh. I personally know what there saying as it’s the same for my Orbea Wild but getting the wrong size will mean you’ll be losing 20% on a resale which is painful and something I’d like to avoid.
I’m going to try and get my ass on both sizes just to make sure If possible
I am just under 6’ 2” and have a longer torso for my hight… I went XLI agree with the Joy of Bike explanation. I believe the bikes are getting way too big per their recommended sizing. Much of this sizing stuff depends upon your riding terrain and how much "pop and play" you want in your bike. I did see a 5'5" girl riding the Yeti SB130 in a Medium on a newly purchased bike with a 460mm reach. Insane! It was clearly not the right bike, yet she said it was perfect. Shame on the bike shop for selling her such a large bike. We are followers folks, and we hear long and slack and we think, wow, lets find the biggest reach we can stand over. I think we'll find some pull back on the reach and slack stuff. I hear "stability" being thrown around so much. I begin to wonder just how aggressive some of us are citing stability as the factor for fit? Enough to knock out teeth out as weekend warrriors? NO!
The standover on the Rise is a big factor here. Longer torso, shorter legs on a frame with taller standover = big trouble in the technical department. I'm 6'1" and chose the L over the XL when I looked at many factors. Stability, yes, standover yes, Joy of Ride fit considerations yes. I'm guessing the 6'2" person and larger is where the XL begins to come into play. Just my 2 Cents.
This is a pretty good summary of the JoB videos...lots of people are probably riding bikes that are too big for them. It's easy to confuse cockpit space/proportion with bike geometry. Yes, all other things held equal, a larger bike will have a longer WB, and a longer WB is more stable. But upsizing won't make the Rise (or any other trail bike) ride like a DH bike; factors like headtube angle, rake and offset are just as, if not more, important. The Rise is not a particularly short bike (WB, reach or front-center) for it's size. What is short on the Rise is the saddle to stem length, due to the steep seat tube angle. But going downhill, that's irrelevant anyway, as your butt should be off and behind the dropped saddle. Cockpit length (imo) is not the best dimension on which to base your decision on sizing, unless you do most or all of your riding upright and in the saddle and don't care about how the impact on other dimensions of the bike affects the dynamics. For anyone undecided on sizing, the best bet is to find a way to do a real demo ride on a variety of conditions you typically ride, rather than focusing on any single static dimension (standover, seat-stem length, etc.) or a short roll around a flat parking lot pedaling in the saddle...I agree with the Joy of Bike explanation. I believe the bikes are getting way too big per their recommended sizing.
Wild is a different story, I'm L in Rise, and definitely XL on Wild. Been on a number of rides, and man, I'm fitting perfectly on the L Rise at 6'1". Made the right call for me...Tested mine today, 6ft on a Large and it felt fine, better than my Orbea wild which is also L even though I’ve sat on XL on the wild and that fit better
From my experience today profile 2 felt every bit like EMTB but better as it didn’t have that overspin of too much torque at low cadenceMy usual local ride is around 25 miles circa 2500ft of climbing and usually use a mix of eco, tour and EMTB on my current Bosch gen4. Ideally I’d do that ride as a test bed to see how it reacts. Not sure I can take a £7k punt on the M10
thats what I didn’t get chance to check. Rode it around the car park and up a reasonably steep tarmac hill. Would describe it as TOUR assistance on the Bosch.
Yeah absolutely, I can’t explain it logically but everything about the rise is better than my Wild……for the first time I could modulate the brakes which are way more basic than my MT7 brakes, it’s more agile, I could fight battles with rock gardens and win, the tyres are a joke in comparison (rekon back, dissector front) yet they handled everything perfectly well (rear slipped on roots at times but hey)Wild is a different story, I'm L in Rise, and definitely XL on Wild. Been on a number of rides, and man, I'm fitting perfectly on the L Rise at 6'1". Made the right call for me...
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