Orbea Rise Power and Batteries

[Borbea]

I tried to gather information about Rise power abilities.

What have I figured out…

360 Wh battery that contain 10S2P setup of 2170 cells. 2 stacks of ten cells in series connection joined together in parallel.

Cell manufacturer Samsung SDI or LG perhaps? SDI cell INR21700-50G, 4850mAh (very close to 360Wh. They are rated to continuous output of 9.7A. Nominal voltage 3.7V

Nominal
(10 x 3.7V) X. (2 x 9.7A) = 718 Watt

Lowest point (discharge cut off)
(10 x 2.5V) X. (2 x 9.7A) = 485 Watt

Highest point (charge cut off)
(10 x 4.2V) X. (2 x 9.7A) = 815 Watt

Consider 100 watt losses? To run the EP8 in full power the cell voltage would need to be 3.1V. I guess this is achievable With the 360Wh battery.

EP8 RS (according to STunlocker)
BOOST 350 Watt
TRAIL 250 Watt
ECO 150 Watt

EP8 (according to STunlocker)
BOOST 500 Watt
TRAIL 500 Watt
ECO 500 Watt

I think Orbeas choice to have 350 W as maximum figures is to have a balance between range and power. Also the “range extender” can probably not output equal amount of wattage.

There are rumor that Rise can not put out full 85 Nm and 500 W from the 360Wh battery. I’ve seen videos where the tester increased the output to 85Nm and belived somwhere around 70-75 Nm was achievable. Makes me wonder if they also increased the power to 500 Watt? As this is a separate setting in BMS. This can be done in STunlocker.

Anyone that have compared a Stunlocked EP8RS set to 500 watt/85 Nm and compared to a eMTB with EP8?

 

[nrgbod]

The 2.2kg 360Wh rise pack is more likely to be 10S3P 18650 cells IMO, probably the same chinese made Panasonic NCR3350GA 10A cells as the H range extender uses. The weight and capacity matches 1.5 x range extender near as. Sanyo NCR18650GA 3350mAh - 10A - Green - 18650 - Li-ion - Rechargeable batteries | NKON

I've rode a H with 85Nm and 150/250/350 power settings and no stuttering noted. After increasing power to 500/500/500 85Nm still no stuttering but noticeably more power. Also tested the same with the range extender and depleted main pack.
Not sure what would cause the stuttering other than a loose connection or maybe a faulty pack. Wasnt it only one person that reported the stuttering problem first hand?

 

[Borbea]

Thank you for your findings. Very interesting And curious what actually are inside the pack?

We should consider also that the voltage of the cells drops with charge levels all the way down to almost 2.5V and then the power drops off. I have briefly tried my M10 in full EP8 500 Watt mode without problem in high SOC (98%) level.

 

[MAster]

The 2.2kg 360Wh rise pack is more likely to be 10S3P 18650 cells IMO, probably the same chinese made Panasonic NCR3350GA 10A cells as the H range extender uses. The weight and capacity matches 1.5 x range extender near as. Sanyo NCR18650GA 3350mAh - 10A - Green - 18650 - Li-ion - Rechargeable batteries | NKON

I've rode a H with 85Nm and 150/250/350 power settings and no stuttering noted. After increasing power to 500/500/500 85Nm still no stuttering but noticeably more power. Also tested the same with the range extender and depleted main pack.
Not sure what would cause the stuttering other than a loose connection or maybe a faulty pack. Wasnt it only one person that reported the stuttering problem first hand?

The 360 WH pack is a TPS-001-50SD SIMPLO/Trend Power with 21700 cells LEV High Power

 

[Edmu]

Battery for the M (carbon) Rise models.

 

[Philippe M]

Hello..
Newer member on this forum.. Owner of a 2022 M10 Rise since end of last yr.. (12-12-2022). Couple question to the forum..
1 ) has anyone checked to see if 2023 M series 520wh battery fit the M series 2021 frame?
2) has anyone considered a custom battery for the 2021 M series frame.. at about 520wh or better?
3) I believe current battery for M10 2022 rise is Tps 001 50sd?
Thanks to all & any feed back from actual owners...of M Rise.