New Haibike Feb 2021

[sunstoner]

Do you just make stuff up ?

Ey? Did I make up what?

 

[BOTG]

Do you just make stuff up ?

Who? Me?

 

[Tubby G]

I've no idea. I've never ridden one.

But the fact that Haibike has chosen to use the yam motor in their flagship models hints that they themselves were not happy with something. Who knows? not me for sure.

It'll be interesting to see if they stick with Bosch too.

I was speaking with my local Haibike dealer / servicer today. Apparently around 90% of TQ / Flyon motors sold have had problems, 10% of Bosch and only 1% Yamaha. The Bosch motor is software driven, so if a problem with a sensor occurs, the motor will stop and an error code shown on the screen. The Yamaha doesn't rely on software so therefore keeps going, and is therefore preferred by competitve riders and hence why on their high spec bikes. The Bosch motor will continue on the range, but the Flyon motor is likely to be discontinued

 

[BOTG]

I was speaking with my local Haibike dealer / servicer today. Apparently around 90% of TQ / Flyon motors sold have had problems, 10% of Bosch and only 1% Yamaha. The Bosch motor is software driven, so if a problem with a sensor occurs, the motor will stop and an error code shown on the screen. The Yamaha doesn't rely on software so therefore keeps going, and is therefore preferred by competitve riders and hence why on their high spec bikes. The Bosch motor will continue on the range, but the Flyon motor is likely to be discontinued

Competitive riders use emtb?

 

[R120]

The main reason the sponsored riders use the Yamaha bikes is they are easier to derestrict.

Sam Pilgrim still uses his older model because it’s a lot lighter than the newer bikes.

It’s interesting that Haibike seem to be focusing on the Yamaha now for their higher end models - to my mind it’s because they offer great value for a shop bought bike, and their aiming at that market place - the higher priced Bosch models with Fox Factory etc seem to have disappeared from their range now

 

[Tubby G]

Competitive riders use emtb?

Just stating what I was told. I don't follow all the bike festivals / competitions but I'm sure EMTB's will be used by many, especially in mainland Europe

 

[R120]

A lot of pros use EMTB’s as a training tool these days, and of course a lot of brands like to get them to ride in the EWSE etc for marketing reasons.

 

[Tubby G]

Sam Pilgrim still uses his older model because it’s a lot lighter than the newer bikes.

I've noticed that Haibike don't publish all their bikes weights on their website

 

[sunstoner]

I've noticed that Haibike don't publish all their bikes weights on their website

Ive noticed this too. I was looking for weight of Allmtn 6 the other day and couldnt find it.

 

[sunstoner]

I was speaking with my local Haibike dealer / servicer today. Apparently around 90% of TQ / Flyon motors sold have had problems, 10% of Bosch and only 1% Yamaha. The Bosch motor is software driven, so if a problem with a sensor occurs, the motor will stop and an error code shown on the screen. The Yamaha doesn't rely on software so therefore keeps going, and is therefore preferred by competitve riders and hence why on their high spec bikes. The Bosch motor will continue on the range, but the Flyon motor is likely to be discontinued

90%??? That seems crazy high.

 

[Sidepod]

90%??? That seems crazy high.

Utter bollox. A rate that high would carry a recall. The M1 Spitzings don’t have similar problems. Just internet garbage blown out of proportion.

 

[sunstoner]

Utter bollox. A rate that high would carry a recall. The M1 Spitzings don’t have similar problems. Just internet garbage blown out of proportion.

Gotta agree there. Sounds daft.

 

[Tubby G]

Utter bollox. A rate that high would carry a recall. The M1 Spitzings don’t have similar problems. Just internet garbage blown out of proportion.

Maybe it is, but I have no reason to fabricate a story and can’t see why my local LBS would either

 

[eebit]

The bikes are superb. Very nice finish and good components in general. Currently, after-sales from haibke in the UK is simply inexistent So you definitely want to buy from a dealer that is knowledgeable about your particular bike and carries spare parts in stock rather than rely on ordering from haibike and waiting weeks for them to come from Europe. If you try to talk to Haibike directly in UK or in Germany, they simply push you to the original dealer. No alternatives. No details. Nothing. Just "talk to your dealer. Which is wrong in my opinion in so many ways. (For completeness I am very pleased with my dealer and the way they have looked after me over the years)

My point is not that the bikes are not good, they are excellent. However, when I ordered my last bike almost a year before it was actually delivered. Once you get your bike, there might be another manufacturer that you might want to consider. If you want the latest bike as Haibike is advertising at the moment, you can put a deposit and wait until July or August probably. I believe that when a brand is launching a product they should have ample stock available immediately. This time, I am not ordering a bike for such large money until there is plenty of them on the tracks.

I think they are getting better with delivery dates, especially with the new Allmtn PW-X models. The 10 years SE models are already in dealers, so the launch is aligned with their availability which is for sure better than it has been in the past.

 

[Sidepod]

Seems highly unlikely they would ditch the Flyon. Haibike’s ethos is “e performance “ so why ditch a model that gives them the highest torque figures on the market. Ok it’s clearly not the biggest seller but it draws people to the brand.
TQ are a serious brand. They don’t just make ebike motors.
Using the Yam motor for a high end model makes perfect sense, gives them parity with other brands. All just my opinion.

 

[CZMATE99]

Have been investigating on emtbs and am looking at Haibike Hardnine 9, which comes with the Bosch motor and the Cube Reaction Pro 625. About a grands difference in price. Does anyone have any feedback on either bike? Cheers.

 

[Tubby G]

Have been investigating on emtbs and am looking at Haibike Hardnine 9, which comes with the Bosch motor and the Cube Reaction Pro 625. About a grands difference in price. Does anyone have any feedback on either bike? Cheers.

I bought the Cube Reaction Pro last December as I really wanted an electric mountain bike and that’s all I could find in stock. It’s a great bike and has been getting me through all the conditions the UK’s winter puts in my path, but it quickly made me realise it came with fairly cheap components such as the fork, groupset & brakes and made me want to upgrade and go full suspension. I chose the Cube as it came with the Bosch Gen 4 motor, and that was the main influence for my fairly rushed buying decision

I’ll be keeping the hardtail as a 2nd bike for friends & family to use, and as a winter bike for my use, but just put a deposit down for the Haibike AllMtn 4.0. If you can afford The Hardnine 9 then I’d recommend saving a little extra and looking at the AllMtn full suspension range instead. Depends on what your intended use is though. If it’s just as a commuter bike with occasional off road riding then stick with the hardtail

 

[CZMATE99]

I bought the Cube Reaction Pro last December as I really wanted an electric mountain bike and that’s all I could find in stock. It’s a great bike and has been getting me through all the conditions the UK’s winter puts in my path, but it quickly made me realise it came with fairly cheap components such as the fork, groupset & brakes and made me want to upgrade and go full suspension. I chose the Cube as it came with the Bosch Gen 4 motor, and that was the main influence for my fairly rushed buying decision

I’ll be keeping the hardtail as a 2nd bike for friends & family to use, and as a winter bike for my use, but just put a deposit down for the Haibike AllMtn 4.0. If you can afford The Hardnine 9 then I’d recommend saving a little extra and looking at the AllMtn full suspension range instead. Depends on what your intended use is though. If it’s just as a commuter bike with occasional off road riding then stick with the hardtail

Will be mainly road, some cross country and possibly some very light trails... both have the Bosch motor just wanting to establish if the haibike is worth the extra cash... could possibly get the cube in March but the shop is 300miles away and the haibike is local but available from July...

 

[Tubby G]

Will be mainly road, some cross country and possibly some very light trails... both have the Bosch motor just wanting to establish if the haibike is worth the extra cash... could possibly get the cube in March but the shop is 300miles away and the haibike is local but available from July...

In that case I’d say the Cube would be an excellent choice and save you some cash which you can spend on upgrades as and when you decide you need them. A quick look at the Hardnine 9 spec tells me it has a better fork and tyres more suitable to off-road, but the Cube will be more than sufficient for your needs and put a huge smile on your face!

 

[sunstoner]

Will be mainly road, some cross country and possibly some very light trails... both have the Bosch motor just wanting to establish if the haibike is worth the extra cash... could possibly get the cube in March but the shop is 300miles away and the haibike is local but available from July...

I agree with what @Tubby G has said above

I bought a Hardseven 8 last August and love it to pieces I cant stop getting out on it. I was very much a newbie and thought I wanted a bike for few family outings with the kids, some flatish stuff and a little / light offroad work but nothing too serious. What I've found is that this thing is so good its got me wandering off the beaten track and enjoying more offroad longer rugged terrain and tracks and now Im itching to get a full sus bike.

 

[CZMATE99]

I agree with what @Tubby G has said above

I bought a Hardseven 8 last August and love it to pieces I cant stop getting out on it. I was very much a newbie and thought I wanted a bike for few family outings with the kids, some flatish stuff and a little / light offroad work but nothing too serious. What I've found is that this thing is so good its got me wandering off the beaten track and enjoying more offroad longer rugged terrain and tracks and now Im itching to get a full sus bike.

Good points, I am getting this through a bike scheme, which unfortunately limits my retailer choice... my only issue with the Cube is the distance of the shop - if I run into any issues... if I could get the Cube locally (kent) from a store that supports my bike scheme, it would be a no brainer... the Cube I’m seeing for around £2500 and the haibike £3300...

 

[sunstoner]

Good points, I am getting this through a bike scheme, which unfortunately limits my retailer choice... my only issue with the Cube is the distance of the shop - if I run into any issues... if I could get the Cube locally (kent) from a store that supports my bike scheme, it would be a no brainer... the Cube I’m seeing for around £2500 and the haibike £3300...

I know its a big ask given the demand for bikes let alone ebikes but it would be worth trying to get a discount. The hardseven 8 I bought last year was £3199 and I managed to get it at £3k from electricbikessales.co.uk. I dont know where you are in the UK but theyve got stores in Bristol, Cambridge, Oxford and York. I collected mine from York. Worth a try even in this climate

 

[Tubby G]

I know its a big ask given the demand for bikes let alone ebikes but it would be worth trying to get a discount. The hardseven 8 I bought last year was £3199 and I managed to get it at £3k from electricbikessales.co.uk. I dont know where you are in the UK but theyve got stores in Bristol, Cambridge, Oxford and York. I collected mine from York. Worth a try even in this climate

That’s the same shop I bought my Cube & Haibike from, but the York branch. They have plenty of stock of Haibikes coming in over the next few months and the York shop is filled floor to ceiling with bikes. All other bike shops I’ve been to are empty and are quoting late summer before seeing any stock

 

[Tubby G]

Good points, I am getting this through a bike scheme, which unfortunately limits my retailer choice... my only issue with the Cube is the distance of the shop - if I run into any issues... if I could get the Cube locally (kent) from a store that supports my bike scheme, it would be a no brainer... the Cube I’m seeing for around £2500 and the haibike £3300...

The only immediate issues I’ve had with the Cube (400 miles so far) are that the front wheel bearings are already a bit crunchy and the rear SX Eagle derailleur clunks & skips gears when riding through thick mud. I have been abusing the Cube though, riding thick sloppy muddy bridleways, which has been great fun as the Bosch motor just chugs you through it like a hot knife through butter

 

[sunstoner]

That’s the same shop I bought my Cube & Haibike from, but the York branch. They have plenty of stock of Haibikes coming in over the next few months and the York shop is filled floor to ceiling with bikes. All other bike shops I’ve been to are empty and are quoting late summer before seeing any stock

Exactly my experience too of the York branch. Theyve been very helpful throughout and I'll be going back to have mine serviced there very soon.

 

[sunstoner]

The only immediate issues I’ve had with the Cube (400 miles so far) are that the front wheel bearings are already a bit crunchy and the rear SX Eagle derailleur clunks & skips gears when riding through thick mud.

Ive noticed this too. Gears grinding and skpping when I've been through the heavy stuff, absolutely fine once its cleared itself. That did surprise me.

 

[Tubby G]

Exactly my experience too of the York branch. Theyve been very helpful throughout and I'll be going back to have mine serviced there very soon.

Yes sorry just read that you got yours from York too, thought you said Bristol on the first read. They have been really helpful with me too and I thoroughly recommend them

 

[sunstoner]

Yes sorry just read that you got yours from York too, thought you said Bristol on the first read. They have been really helpful with me too and I thoroughly recommend them

Me too. Theyve been good so far.

 

[Tubby G]

Me too. Theyve been good so far.

Its dead handy they have a car park round the back too as parking in York is a nightmare and costs just as much as a new emtb!!

 

[Tonybro]

Its dead handy they have a car park round the back too as parking in York is a nightmare and costs just as much as a new emtb!!

Just like the Lake District, feck, those people know how to scalp visitors!

They even charge 50p to have a piss!