Muc off big bore tubeless valve

slickrock

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A PM from a fellow member inspired me to give feedback on the Big-Bore.

I purchased the long Hybrid version in black. While I typically like colored stems, I chose black because the Hybrid version of the valve is a little bulky looking and didn't want to draw too much attention to it, but in the end I think I was just being too conservative. For its size, though, it still is seems lightweight for what it does. And speaking of size, I would err on getting the long version or the extra-long version unless you know your rim is shallow. My bike with Bosch Gen 4 motor uses the stem magnet, which eats up stem length - it just made it with Deemax rim, with just enough of base stem protruding to allow the head to screw onto the stem. Setup was straight forward and has a hex fitting at the base so you can use the provided LN wrench to provide counter torque then fitting the valve head on.

Functionally, the valve has a ridiculously high air flow. It is basically a coreless valve, and seemingly fills even faster than removing the core on a presta stem, perhaps because Schader pump fittings offer more air flow to begin with. If you use a air compressor, be careful, as it will instantly fill the tire to max inflation. It's also much easier to manually pump the tire as there is so little resistance to inflation flow. I also use one of those cool little battery powered mini air compressors, and the extra flow allows the pump to operate not only more quickly, but more quietly with improved battery life.

Design-wise, it's a brilliantly simple idea - basically a ball valve - a much simpler high flow design than say Fillmore valve, which uses a shaft down its entire length. The Hybrid ball valve thru-opening is so large that it seems impossible to clog when juicing up the tire. An additional and important design feature is that the base is shallow enough, so it doesn't protrude past the rim flanges. Previously, I used the Funn high-flow valve (now discontinued) and it, along with the Filmore, have too tall of a base and I always worried that if I high a rock in just the right place, all the force would drive through the stem it would break my carbon rim.

The operation requires two-step process, and depending on your pump a two-hand process: first attach the pump to the valve and then open the valve to either measure the pressure or begin inflation. This may seem more tedious but it's actually easier, especially for presta, because you don't need to unscrew the sealing nut on the core - because there is no core with this valve. Additionally, you waste no air fitting the pump to the valve when attaching it at the beginning (ball valve closed), nor waste any air when detaching (ball valve re-closed), compare to a standard presta or schrader valve. This is huge if all you want to do is check tire pressure - just open and close the valve and get your pressure read without losing air. And if your pump has a screw-on attachment instead of a rubber friction attachment, the benefits are even greater, since the tendency to lose air is even higher when using a standard core valve stem, not to mention that valve cores often unscrew when detaching this kind of nozzle.

The only downside I see is if you don't secure the pump nozzle to the valve correctly and it causes the the nozzle to fall off, then you dump all nearly the air in tire in a couple of seconds if you have the valve fully open. Of course, if you have a finicky nozzle attachment, you can open the valve just slightly and mimic the kind of flow you would get with a typical core valve.

Overall, a really good product and has held up so far for about 3 months now.
 

G-Sport

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Thanks for the Update.
I'm pretty sure that I would forget to close the ball valve fairly regularly with those and end up blowing all the air and a bunch of sealant out onto the hub etc.
I've been running the Schwalbe Click Valve for a few weeks and really like it. Super quick and easy to check pressures and very secure fit with no chance of leakage. Works great with my existing mini-pump too and even the Topeak pressure gauge works with it which was one of my concerns before fitting.
Also very handy that I could fit them without needing to remove the tyre.
 

irie

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Was thinking of changing my Presta valves to "Muc-Off Big Bore Lite" with which can use Presta pump head so can keep using the same pump. After reading this review by "Michael F" on muc-off.com unsurprisingly changed my mind ...

"I think there is a flaw in the presta version big bore valve design. It does not seal the three presta chucks I already own. This means that you can not put any pressure into the wheel because the air just leaks between the chuck and the valve. I’m trying to put some 40mm tires to 40psi. My chucks seal fine on all presta tubes including tpu smooth stems. Muc Off customer service seems to think that presta chucks should seat on the valve cap threads, which is simply not true. The muc off design also decreases in diameter after the cap threads which is opposite of typical presta valves. When the diameter finally does increase before the ball valve there are two flats on it which are significant leak paths. I just don’t understand what testing and validation they did on these valves.

Muc off can’t even recommend a compatible presta chuck! I’ve asked!

Not a good experience, though I feel bad that they probably have 1000s of these crappy valves with a bad design, I feel worse for customers that receive them and fill their tires with goop before realizing they don’t actually seal around the chuck to get any pressure into the wheel."
 

Philly G

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I reached out to Muc Off to ask about compatibility with pumps with screw-on chucks (specifically Lezyne), and this was their reply:
"Our Big Bore lite valves have a standard sized Presta thread with the only difference being the length of the threaded section. On the Big Bore valves the threaded section does not extend all the way to the head so we have found that with some threaded chucks you need to just engage the threads to create a seal rather than thread it all the way to bottoming out. If you attach the chuck past the threads then it can loose it seal and not work correctly. I have attached a photo to illustrate this for you."
This could be what "Michael F" was experiencing ? This is the photo Muc-Off sent to illustrate the point
I'm pretty keen to give these valves a try - probably the hybrid version - I think they're a great idea

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irie

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with some threaded chucks you need to just engage the threads to create a seal rather than thread it all the way to bottoming out. If you attach the chuck past the threads then it can loose it seal and not work correctly.
So in the above event you have to thread your chuck just the right amount and no more in order to ensure getting an effective seal?

Must be having a laugh 😄

Design failure.
 

Philly G

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Must be having a laugh 😄
Design failure.

I agree it's definitely not ideal. One would hope this is something they will address in a future version 2 of the valve. Ideally the valves would not have made it to market in the first place, with this issue. However, it's definitely something I can happily live with in order to avoid sticky, gummed-up, bent valve cores.
Also very easy to pump up on trail-side in case of emergency, as @slickrock attests to. I imagine once I get used to screwing the pump chuck on just so, it will become second nature. It may not even be an issue with my pump as they did say "with some threaded chucks", also they are talking about the Lite version, and I am considering the Hybrid version, which has a Schrader fitting.
Some products do have their foibles, for example a common complaint about Lezyne pumps with threaded chucks is that it's easy to unscrew the valve core when unscrewing the chuck, if you're not careful.
 
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slickrock

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Also very easy to pump up on trail-side in case of emergency, as @slickrock attests to. I imagine once I get used to screwing the pump chuck on just so, it will become second nature. It may not even be an issue with my pump as they did say "with some threaded chucks"
Some products do have their foibles, for example a common complaint about Lezyne pumps with threaded chucks is that it's easy to unscrew the valve core when unscrewing the chuck, if you're not careful.
As mentioned, if you have a screw-on chuck, the coreless design of the Big Bore is the bees knees because there is no core to unscrew. That said, I must have dodged a bullet getting the Hybrids instead of the Lites, as I don't have any issues with my pumps getting a seal on the schrader head. Regarding the Lites, it looks like a redesign is in order to add some thread length to the head. AFAIC, the fundamental ball-valve design is not at fault here, so maybe an update will not be far off.
 
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irie

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I'll wait for the 'Lite v2' to become available.
Changed my mind and today fitted Big Bore Lite tops to our existing Presta valve stems on our wheels. They fitted fine because the valve stems ("Large"=45mm*) which come with Big Bore Lites are standard Presta valve stems (which have internal threading for use with standard Presta valve cores). Just screwed the tops on holding the existing stems tight with a small pair of pliers with a thin strip of neoprene in the jaws to hold them tight and prevent damage to the stem while screwing the new valve tops on. Simple as. Look fine because our current Presta valve stems are pretty short (about 40mm).

* think Medium 35mm would be better because have no magnet to attach to valve stem.
 
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