Loamranger
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PumpinIron, yes you could upgrade the Yari with a Push ACS3 coil kit. Damper could also be upgraded to 2.1 or another make of damper. This would make it into a Lyric coil ?
Ok I was mistaken with the ownership, it was a significant join venture which also tells you something as they would not do any significant joint venture that didn't meet their own quality standards. The rest of my post still stands.No they are not. They used to have a joint venture with Siemens for white goods, but they are very much two different companies which otherwise have nothing to do with one another.
We're going off-topic, but for the record: Siemens have sold their share in BSH 7 years ago to Bosch. The only thing Siemens still does, is lend their name to the products (which was more a marketing-oriented decision).Actually Bosch, Simens, Neff, Gagenau and other appliance brands are all part of the BSH group which is a subsidiary of Bosch that focus's on white goods. I have quite a lot of business dealing with them.
I believe Siemens (as in medialc, industrial, mobile etc etc) itself is a separate company, its just the appliance brand that is part of BSH.
So true, the same can be said about my C6 ZO6 Corvette.I also read a Ford Mustang forum and if you believe many of the posts you will expect every new Mustang V8 to fail shortly. The facts are very different, with millions of these engines performing as expected. My guess is the facts on e-bike motors are the same.
One thing worth pointing out, is that Specilized is the only brand that officially (not Brose, so this doesn't apply to other brands using the motor) allow dealers to hold spare motors in stock, and the dealers discretion to replace the motor - this is why shops in the uk like Berkshire Cycles can do same day motor swaps.
Shimano and Bosch genrally require the motor to be sent back to them to be assessed before being replaced, though some dealers have managed to get spare motors, or swapped them out of other bikes to help people, but this is not the norm.
Let me preface this by saying that I've been riding mountain bikes a long time, but recently I had my first eMTB experience with both a Specialized Turbo Levo and a Trek Rail 7.
I've been considering purchasing either an S-Works Turbo Levo or a Trek Rail 9.9.
Money isn't an issue, but what is an issue is the amount of motor failures I keep reading about, particularly with Specialized.
To spend this amount of money on a bike and have the motor failing all the time seems very, very discouraging.
I liked both bikes, but the Specialized spoke to me more. However, everyone I talk to is telling me to avoid Specialized like the plague, since the motors are a terrible design (belt driven) and go bad all the time.
I've heard the most recent Bosch motors are significantly better, so this has me leaning towards the Trek, simply for more reliability.
Can anyone provide any input? It's hard to tell how many people out there are enjoying their eMTBs without motor issues, especially when those people likely rarely chime in online, and instead all we read about is the bad experiences.
I'm wondering if I'm too early to the game, and maybe they simply having had eMTBs for long enough, and therefore haven't worked out all the reliability issues with the motors.
Thanks for any input / advice
There is an overwhelmingly greater number of Specialized motor failure stories... to the point where they now have a reputation for it on every bike forum I have read. That doesn't happen for no reason or just on "hearsay". The fact people are posting in this thread about multiple motor failures also shows the flaws in your logic.I also read a Ford Mustang forum and if you believe many of the posts you will expect every new Mustang V8 to fail shortly. The facts are very different, with millions of these engines performing as expected. My guess is the facts on e-bike motors are the same.
i would guess that the brose mistake of putting a faulty belt in the first run of the mag S motor created this bad reputation for specialized which at this point may be a bit overdone as there have been far fewer complaints about the 2020 motor, but the damage has been doneThere is an overwhelmingly greater number of Specialized motor failure stories... to the point where they now have a reputation for it on every bike forum I have read. That doesn't happen for no reason or just on "hearsay". The fact people are posting in this thread about multiple motor failures also shows the flaws in your logic.
It takes many good deeds to build a good reputation, and only one bad one to lose it.
As I was once advised.
"You can build a thousand bridges, yet get caught shagging one sheep.
You're never known as the bridge builder.....
It takes many good deeds to build a good reputation, and only one bad one to lose it.
That gave me a good chuckle.As I was once advised.
"You can build a thousand bridges, yet get caught shagging one sheep.
You're never known as the bridge builder.....
Agreed. The piece that really tells the story is the motor in the Creo and SL; if they were still a happy partner of Brose, why start a new partnership with Mahle? No, the reputational damage has been done and (despite how well the Brose rides with the Spec software) I severely doubt we will see another bike with a Brose motor from Specialized.There is an overwhelmingly greater number of Specialized motor failure stories... to the point where they now have a reputation for it on every bike forum I have read. That doesn't happen for no reason or just on "hearsay". The fact people are posting in this thread about multiple motor failures also shows the flaws in your logic.
It takes many good deeds to build a good reputation, and only one bad one to lose it.
There has to be a sheep to bridge ratio though surely? ?
You have way too much time on your hands.Maybe the problem is not so much that someone was "caught" shagging one sheep. It's the underlying problem that they prefer shagging sheep ?
Man is often driven to create through his desires.
I would propose that 9/10 bridge builders initially got into their profession because of their desire to shag a sheep on the other side of a difficult to cross brook or ravine.
Hence, they may have built 1000 bridges and been caught shagging 1 sheep. But the facts would suggest that they previously tried to shag 1000 sheep.
Why do your posts always commence with your name?High Rock Ruti
2019 Turbo Levo S works, full refund after the fourth motor failure in less than a 1000 miles. 3 belts failed and 1 sprag clutch. I bought the 2020 Trek Rail 9.8, the shop threw in the fancy damper from the 9.9, and going to install the 2021 air spring, The Levo is just plane beautiful to look at, it rides really well, wish they would utilize a DW link rear suspension configuration, the Pivot shuttle has noticeably better rear suspension, stays on the ground.
The Trek Rail 9.8 handles better than the Levo by small margin, however to notice that better handling speed is required, as reviewed the Rail is little sluggish at slow speed, a little. The extra torque of the Brose can be felt however the Bosch has it's torque at slower peddle speeds, feels stronger at slower less cadences.
Good Luck with this HUGE LUXURY PROBLEM!
Lockdown syndrome...You have way too much time on your hands.
Let me preface this by saying that I've been riding mountain bikes a long time, but recently I had my first eMTB experience with both a Specialized Turbo Levo and a Trek Rail 7.
I've been considering purchasing either an S-Works Turbo Levo or a Trek Rail 9.9.
Money isn't an issue, but what is an issue is the amount of motor failures I keep reading about, particularly with Specialized.
To spend this amount of money on a bike and have the motor failing all the time seems very, very discouraging.
I liked both bikes, but the Specialized spoke to me more. However, everyone I talk to is telling me to avoid Specialized like the plague, since the motors are a terrible design (belt driven) and go bad all the time.
I've heard the most recent Bosch motors are significantly better, so this has me leaning towards the Trek, simply for more reliability.
Can anyone provide any input? It's hard to tell how many people out there are enjoying their eMTBs without motor issues, especially when those people likely rarely chime in online, and instead all we read about is the bad experiences.
I'm wondering if I'm too early to the game, and maybe they simply having had eMTBs for long enough, and therefore haven't worked out all the reliability issues with the motors.
Thanks for any input / advice
My Giant Trance e3 has now done 1046 miles. No problem with the Motor (Yamaha). Actually the bike has been pretty much problem free ?
I have Levo Expert intended getting the sworks like you the dealer reckoned the Expert was a better buy think the carbon rear end was one of the reasons . Upgraded to fox forks and hope brakes. Any way apart from a crack in the battery to motor cable which was replaced in 2 days on warranty I have had no issues at all with motor or anything else. Any times it wouldn't start was down to washing too keenly then you just dry out Tcu or motor cable. Very wet summer last year washing every ride very muddy and big tyres throw big mud all over . 2100 miles since July. My average ride 25 to 30 miles 3000 feet climbing plenty rough stuff but no jumping. Remember you don't know how people are riding these bikes. But yes a lot of people are just waiting for the motor to go me included.Let me preface this by saying that I've been riding mountain bikes a long time, but recently I had my first eMTB experience with both a Specialized Turbo Levo and a Trek Rail 7.
I've been considering purchasing either an S-Works Turbo Levo or a Trek Rail 9.9.
Money isn't an issue, but what is an issue is the amount of motor failures I keep reading about, particularly with Specialized.
To spend this amount of money on a bike and have the motor failing all the time seems very, very discouraging.
I liked both bikes, but the Specialized spoke to me more. However, everyone I talk to is telling me to avoid Specialized like the plague, since the motors are a terrible design (belt driven) and go bad all the time.
I've heard the most recent Bosch motors are significantly better, so this has me leaning towards the Trek, simply for more reliability.
Can anyone provide any input? It's hard to tell how many people out there are enjoying their eMTBs without motor issues, especially when those people likely rarely chime in online, and instead all we read about is the bad experiences.
I'm wondering if I'm too early to the game, and maybe they simply having had eMTBs for long enough, and therefore haven't worked out all the reliability issues with the motors.
Thanks for any input / advice
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