Levo Gen 4 Levo Gen 4 Rumours and some facts...

[Desert_Turtle]

I was hoping for some of the really cool paint jobs that are on the current s works SL

Just for the record, color preference is very subjective, I have a 24 S Works SL with the blue-green into grey fade color and I think it sucks.

My favorite Levo color was the Redwood color on the 23 Pro and I also like the white Gen3 SWorks color. My first Levo, a Gen2 Expert, was raw carbon with a black tint. That was rad too. They hardly ever have good color ways.

 

[Power1tobe]

what are the pros?

It has a wire then it can't lose connection unless the wire breaks????? Wireless get wet and fail/ jam / battery die, and now you own a brick. From a engineer that actually builds systems for a living I find the number of people on bashing this bike without one real review mind boggling. I mean if by next Fri there are 10 pro reviews and they all thumbs down the bike then I will say your uneducated assumptions were right. Specialized is in the business of building bikes that both perform and last, and if it breaks they have the infrastructure to quickly repair it for you. Do I think this is the most cutting edge bike... NO, do I think its a pretty big move forward ummm yes.. it has 2x more power then the old bike, and look at the motor.. its way smaller. I have seen all the specs and its a big move (not huge) forward. Its also modular so there is room for improvement. Time will tell... buy the Flow... if you can find one in the US, and if it breaks let me know how the support is...

 

[Desert_Turtle]

Ok all new Levo Gen4 bikes can fast charge, they just don't come with the fast charger. Second, yes you can buy a Levo gen 3 bike (comp alum) for 6100, and a Gen 4s-works for 13500.. so basically 2 bikes for one. But then remember the old s-works cost 15000 before the price drop, and has 1/2 the power of the new bike. A Comp carbon gen-4 costs 8k with 2x the power on the gen 3.

I said something similar a few pages back. Everybody whines about the prices but back in May of 2022 I paid $13k for my 2023 Gen3 Pro….the new version is $11.5K despite 20% inflation over the last 3 years. Bike’s aren’t cheap but they have come down in price significantly. My prediction is that these are going to be so popular that prices go up and retailers will be less likely to cut deals [if the new Levo rides better than the old one].

The one thing all of us keyboard warriors don’t know is how the bike rides. It’s fun to speculate about the features but how it performs is really the key concern for me. Anybody that says that anything is a dealbreaker before they know how good the platform is isn’t serious anyway. If the bike is awesome, it’s performance will speak for itself.

 

[MTB-WALES]

I said something similar a few pages back. Everybody whines about the prices but back in May of 2022 I paid $13k for my 2023 Gen3 Pro….the new version is $11.5K despite 20% inflation over the last 3 years. Bike’s aren’t cheap but they have come down in price significantly. My prediction is that these are going to be so popular that prices go up and retailers will be less likely to cut deals [if the new Levo rides better than the old one].

The one thing all of us keyboard warriors don’t know is how the bike rides. It’s fun to speculate about the features but how it performs is really the key concern for me. Anybody that says that anything is a dealbreaker before they know how good the platform is isn’t serious anyway. If the bike is awesome, it’s performance will speak for itself.

If you’ve ridden a Levo sl then you have a pretty good idea about how it will ride….

 

[Desert_Turtle]

If you’ve ridden a Levo sl then you have a pretty good idea about how it will ride….

I sure hope it’s longer than the Levo SL. The Gen2 SL is an absolute delight on tight trails and in the forest but it’s a hair twitchy for the bigger DH and enduro stuff. It’s also not the best climber. Hopefully the Gen4 Levo is a little longer and slacker….it is going to have more travel and be expandable. The stock bike can be configured to handle a 180 fork without killing the geo. They were thinking ahead.

 

[Polar]

but how it performs is really the key concern for me

Earlier versions has performed pretty well according to hundreds of reviews so why shouldn't G4 perform good if not better

 

[ah1]

Is anyone finally gonna talk about the elephant in the room:
No Android find my phone support???

 

[Zimmerframe]

I find the number of people on bashing this bike without one real review mind boggling. I mean if by next Fri there are 10 pro reviews and they all thumbs down the bike then I will say your uneducated assumptions were right.

I don't think people are bashing the bike. I'm sure everyone expects it to be a great bike.

The point I think some are making it that maybe it won't be an amazing or ground breaking bike - like we've had a few times in the past. Fortunately - most bikes are great now. But will the Gen4 stand out from the crowd ? We're a hundred and something pages into the hype tunnel and expecting amazing when we emerge .. lets hope we're amazed.

It has a wire then it can't lose connection unless the wire breaks????? Wireless get wet and fail/ jam / battery die, and now you own a brick.

If it doesn't have a wire, it can't lose connection if the wire breaks ?????

Wired and wireless get wet and jam/fail - same thing, being wired or not makes no difference.

Yes, batteries can die. It's an e-bike, an intrinsic part of e-bike ownership is understanding batteries and battery life. Most people will probably carry a tiny spare battery for those just in case moments when they've not noticed the app telling them for the last 3 months that their controller battery is getting low. Personally, I don't really care either way, but a cleaner cockpit is nice and having previously had controller issues due to snagged wires, I can appreciate the advantages of wireless.

From a engineer that actually builds systems for a living

Then you're surely aware that there are compromises and advantages and disadvantages either way.

Wired or not, most systems let you change assistance with the display so if your controller is shot, you're not dead in the water. Even gen1 Levo/Kenevo's let you change mode with the buttons built into the battery.

 

[Rando_12345]

I can't believe this thread gets dozens of posts a day, the full specs leaked like 8 pages ago, and the only thing being discussed is a wireless button and the charger!

 

[DirkWisely]

Other than being available in the US, I'm not seeing anything that makes a strong argument over a base model Avinox with all the upgrades you could want. The s-works is *really* expensive.

 

[westcoastmtbr]

Here is the USA, you can get the AMFLOW through a Chinese supplier for around $6500 delivered to your door. Add a few custom bits to this base Model and you have a really capable bike and what I believe will be 5-7 pounds lighter. I think Specialized missed the mark by not getting these bike out sooner. It's going to be an evolution not revolution. It will be a good bike, but here in California, you'll also pay a 9% sales tax. If the S-Works goes for $13,500 or even more at retail then the true cost will be $14,700 or more. It's a lot of money, and it's not even a revolutionary bike IMHO. So, it's off to the races. I'll stick with the Gen 3 and work on my riding skills to make up the difference. And I could use some skills enhancement. I just don't see this being as big a deal as everyone wants it to be, and I have a feeling some will just choose to get the Amflow.

 

[ah1]

Not sure on the accuracy of this one but I was told that the s-works was a limited run.. so most likely there wont be any at the end of the year.

Don't worry - there will be plenty left all the way to 2026. In case you haven't checked the industry situation lately, or on the Specialized website still all s-works from all bikes available...

 

[TorAtle]

do I think its a pretty big move forward ummm yes.. it has 2x more power then the old bike

Far from it, it has 17% or 27% (S Works) more according to the spec sheets.

 

[Zimmerframe]

I can't believe this thread gets dozens of posts a day, the full specs leaked like 8 pages ago, and the only thing being discussed is a wireless button and the charger!

Have you seen the fast charger !!!!!!

 

[TorAtle]

Have you seen the fast charger !!!!!!

That won't fit in the SWAT box!

 

[Biano44]

Other than being available in the US, I'm not seeing anything that makes a strong argument over a base model Avinox with all the upgrades you could want. The s-works is *really* expensive.

Probably important to remember that we don’t know 100% of the details of the new G4!

With a 48v system, we know it charges fast but maybe it’s super efficient and lasts a long time…..(easily a game changer)
The integration could be super cool, display and/or phone connectivity.
There are so many aspects yet to be understood.
Time will tell, but don’t write it off yet.

 

[emtbeast]

Have you seen the fast charger !!!!!!

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Ohh, they also made a mobile version of it

 

[AussieRuss]

One thing I don't see talked about a lot is efficiency.

I rode my 2022 Gen3 Pro with my friend on his 800 watt/hr battery Amflow yesterday.
The Amflow left mine for dead on hills. The Gen 3 levo seems a more burly bike but we already have discussed that to death.

Both bikes finished within 10% battery of each other after the ride so the Amflow chews through battery to give that extra power.

I feel that what will suprise people is the efficiency gain of the new Levo 48volt system & 850 battery.

My prediction is that the real life reviews will have people suprised at how much distance the Levo gets from a full charge.
Secondly I believe the levo will deliver power at a much lower cadence compared to the Amflow.

I am not knocking the Amflow. Its a beautiful bike. I just think that the difference between brands wont be apparent from specs on paper. It will come out in the ride test results.

 

[Biano44]

Secondly I believe the levo will deliver power at a much lower cadence compared to the Amflow.

Wouldn’t hold your breath on that one.

 

[Power1tobe]

Here is the USA, you can get the AMFLOW through a Chinese supplier for around $6500 delivered to your door. Add a few custom bits to this base Model and you have a really capable bike and what I believe will be 5-7 pounds lighter. I think Specialized missed the mark by not getting these bike out sooner. It's going to be an evolution not revolution. It will be a good bike, but here in California, you'll also pay a 9% sales tax. If the S-Works goes for $13,500 or even more at retail then the true cost will be $14,700 or more. It's a lot of money, and it's not even a revolutionary bike IMHO. So, it's off to the races. I'll stick with the Gen 3 and work on my riding skills to make up the difference. And I could use some skills enhancement. I just don't see this being as big a deal as everyone wants it to be, and I have a feeling some will just choose to get the Amflow.

I agree the Levo Gen4 isn't bleeding edge (but 2x the power from the previous), but lets let the reviews speak. As for the Amflow... there is no way you could convince me to drop $6500 to some Chinese supplier... in hopes I get the real thing (previous experience with Chinese suppliers). until there is a US supplier I feel that's a big roll of the dice not to mention getting any support for that bike. can't help your CA sales tax.. 9% is stupid!!

 

[Biano44]

I agree the Levo Gen4 isn't bleeding edge (but 2x the power from the previous), but lets let the reviews speak. As for the Amflow... there is no way you could convince me to drop $6500 to some Chinese supplier... in hopes I get the real thing (previous experience with Chinese suppliers). until there is a US supplier I feel that's a big roll of the dice not to mention getting any support for that bike. can't help your CA sales tax.. 9% is stupid!!

How do you figure 2x the power?

 

[TorAtle]

Secondly I believe the levo will deliver power at a much lower cadence compared to the Amflow

If the new Levo motor is anything like the current one, you may be right:

As can be seen, the DJI Avinox will only produce ~100% of the peak power (850W) at a cadence of 95 or over, where the Brose motor only requires 55 rpm. But you also have to factor in rider power as DVI Avinox has a 800% assistance where the current Brose has 410%.

If you haven't already, check out the Velomotion channel: Velomotion Magazine EN

 

[Power1tobe]

Thank you for someone displaying power on a graph. Also, something I saw on the bike today while at the shop was that the new Levo has the ability to operate in class 1 (for fire trail use..lol), so not lock to 20 but can go up to 28mph.

 

[Ride 2d@y]

Thank you for someone displaying power on a graph. Also, something I saw on the bike today while at the shop was that the new Levo has the ability to operate in class 1 (for fire trail use..lol), so not lock to 20 but can go up to 28mph.

???? - regulations allow up to 28 mph only for road commuter bikes like the Vado.

 

[westcoastmtbr]

I agree the Levo Gen4 isn't bleeding edge (but 2x the power from the previous), but lets let the reviews speak. As for the Amflow... there is no way you could convince me to drop $6500 to some Chinese supplier... in hopes I get the real thing (previous experience with Chinese suppliers). until there is a US supplier I feel that's a big roll of the dice not to mention getting any support for that bike. can't help your CA sales tax.. 9% is stupid!!

Good point but my buddy already got one from this supplier, but get your apprehension. Let's just finally see what Specialized has done. I will be fun

 

[Black Bear Trail]

It depends..If you are lighter and you like more trail riding 36 is good, if you are on heavier side and prefer ride more aggressively or enduro than 38 is better choice.
I've been riding Raceface Sixc 780mm 35mm rise for 3 years, they were good but also stiff. This season I switched to 780mm 40mm rise Raceface Era and I can confirm they are much better and more comfortable. (my hands dont hurt after long ride)
Basically they are on every new Pro and S works Spesh.

Thanks.

 

[Power1tobe]

???? - regulations allow up to 28 mph only for road commuter bikes like the Vado.

Just telling you what I was told by LBS, that there was a feature to allow class 1 for fire roads... true ... we will see

 

[mtbrdan]

You guys are idiots about the Amflow. Where do you go for dealer support?! It’s an ebike, shit breaks down eventually

 

[Bogdan_CH]

14000 $/£/€ for a bike is ALOT of money regardless of how deep your pockets are right now. It not covid times when non bikers found interest in getting outside and pick on something new as those people either phased out the sport or already have something labeled S works in the shed gathering dust. So I'm wondering how the hype will spread outside of this forum as for bike enthusiasts it will be a head scratcher on why pay that ridiculous amount on a bike that has its improvements no doubt but from the specs revealed it's not a game changer when good companies like Santa Cruz, Transition Trek and many other offer a good alternative for way less.

 

[DirkWisely]

You guys are fucking idiots about the Amflow. Where do you go for dealer support?! It’s a fucking ebike, shit breaks down eventually

To a dealer? You know they sell them in bike shops in the countries they've launched in right?