Exactly (and not all accurate).
It's amazing how many times the full specs have been written here and people are still trying to guess them.
Levo Gen 4 Levo Gen 4 Rumours and some facts...
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It's amazing how many times the full specs have been written here and people are still trying to guess them.
This was already mentioned here before, really interested to see how are they going to do it just for the sworks, because if it’s just a software limitation then all we need to do is ask nicely to your local spesh dealer and we will have it on all models
Polar
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I'm sure that door is blocked since it sounds to easy and loss of profit and if Specialized sniff it dealer is out of business.
sluette
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Could be linked to the serial no and …. every other Modell is out…This was already mentioned here before, really interested to see how are they going to do it just for the sworks, because if it’s just a software limitation then all we need to do is ask nicely to your local spesh dealer and we will have it on all models
Just as they sniff the gen 3 bricked motors that come from derestricted bikes with range extenders? I’ve seen 6 go into warranty and come back new
Everything is possible, but let’s see. Interested to see how they do it.
westcoastmtbr
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So if what we see in the marketplace is true can we assume, S Works get premium torque say 120nm, and others get 100nm? They could restrict this with hardware not just software. 2. Yes, choose the battery that fits your needs the best, say 450, 650, 800wh plus range extender of 250wh. Yes, they'll use the Levo SL frame design which should be lighter, and some sort of carbon layup to make it more enduro focused. The motor will be their own design, bye, bye Brose. New Genie shock, and enhanced display touchscreen?? Chance to knock off 5lbs off current total weight, and if all this comes true, the there will be a Flood of used Legos hit the market. Let the technology thing have use leasing bikes in the future. This is about to get interesting.
sluette
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Sounds great! But Brose will be on board. Not named Peak3 but maybe Specialized 3.0???
westcoastmtbr
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Indeed you may be correct. It will have to be different than what others such as SRAM will be able to offer. Specialized will want their own thing. Who can blame them.
Again: a small battery at a premium price is a ripoff. For the price you pay, the Vala should come with the range extender. Santa Cruz marketing convinced a bunch of fat wallets to pay more for less battery and range. I am hoping the industry will follow Ibis with the Oso with a full power Bosch and a 800wh battery for 6k…. That a carbon frame with axis and Fox suspension…. $6,000!
westcoastmtbr
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I'm not sure Santa Cruz offered the Vala with a 600wh battery to save money. Why would they? Would they be saving $50 USD at their cost? It was more about weight, for sure. While I do agree about the extender would have been nice to just "include", that's unnecessary. While I did purchase an extender on my Rise, I rarely use it. And think about it. The current Levo offers a 700wh battery which I find more than adequate. With 32 mile rides under my belt with the 700wh battery, can we conclude the new Gen 5 Bosch with better power management and 600wh with the extender for an extra 250wh is opitmal? 850wh? Who uses that much on a regular basis? As for Ibis, they didn't make the OSO with the 800wh to make a statement, rather they are trying to get rid of what must be a huge backstock that if not moved soon, will end up at Jenson USA at an even lower price. Yes, it would be nice, but Specialized has no intention of doing anything close to this. Would be nice, but wait til you see the S-Works bike at $14k... ugh, this ebike thing is getting wild.
AussieRuss
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I would love more than a 700watt/hr battery. As a group we plan our rides most weekends around battery life. If we could do an extra 10km with a slightly larger battery we would.
I think its roughly about 10 battery cells per 100 watt/hr so to add 100 watt/hr it needs another 10 cells.
200 watt/hr is 20 cells. Sounds like batteries are a costly component in bike manufacture.
mtbrdan
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They are out there for sure. Lurking in the background of friends Strava pics.
Small battery is to make bike looking better and save weight, not money. Oso has old Gen4 motor and 750 battery. Cannot compare. Also they have weird sizing….and side loading battery, harder to sell. Good package for that price thou.
westcoastmtbr
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Bikes like the Orbea Rise use the battery extender first, the default to the main battery. What an interesting thought. Ultra light bike with only a 250-300wh extender while the main battery is removed.
Wouldn’t that mess up the weight distribution?
Normally you want the weight to be as lower to the ground possible, thinking of the current levo, if you remove the battery weight and put it on the bottle cage that would make it unstable
The trek fuel exe can be used like this. remove the main battery and just use the range extender for an ultra light bike with 160wh battery.
Its a pretty niche use case though, I cant see many people using it like this.
Although I have ridden mine like this - usually when I go on trips by plane because the range extender is small enough to be allowed on planes - I leave the main battery behind and just take the range extender.
It does also give a nice modular apprach to battery sizes and overall bike weight.
- No battery at all - 17kg bike
- just the RE, 18kg bike with 160wh
- Just the main battery, 19kg with 360wh
- main battery + range extender, 20kg bike with 520wh
Bet they call it the Levo 4. Seeing all range is now numbered.
This is marketing in action. Again, $7500 and 600wh is a rip off. Marketing has convinced you a flaw is a selling point. That’s what marketing does. FYI, you are right, the vala can’t compare, the oso can up shock and run a 190mm fork. The oso can be an all mountain or enduro bike, the vala …. Not so much.
There was a few “spy” pics up on another site, they got taken down quickly though. One of them was an all Fox build with the new X2, updated Fox 38 and wireless transfer and the other was an all SRAM build with a Vivid/Zeb and the new AXS dropper. Apparently the guy on the SRAM bike is sponsored by SRAM so not sure if that’s a build that will be offered. My local shop only mentioned Fox builds when he told me they were getting them in next month.
And still, people buy Vala, not Ibis
Which site?
Battery size should be a choice when you buy an ebike. I need a big battery because my rides consist of 5000-7000 ft vert and 20-40 miles. I leave my Levo with a 700wh battery, in eco, set at 30% almost all the time. I finish my rides with close to empty. A 250wh-350wh extender would be awesome.
Vital, it was some guys out in Cali riding them. I’m guessing it was employees being they were fairly close to Spesh’s HQ.
Value means different things to different people. Some may appreciate ride quality, some build quality, some looks, some kashmina parts on shit frame, some low price, some LBS, some china bikes, some lifetime warranty etc.
And yeah, you cannot rip with Vala because it's lousy trail bike with 150mm travel:
If you need more range than 600Wh don't buy a vala. I got a vala and don't need more than 600Wh no plans to use the ugly range extender. There are lots of ugly underwhelming bikes with big batteries to choose from.
It’s Oso ugly
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