ah1
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That's a sweet looking wrap!
Levo Gen 4 Levo Gen 4 Rumours and some facts...
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The new bike is looking almost ready!
sethimus
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i applied for a job at specialized this summer (but declined the offer in the end, nobody wants an american styled contract with "pay already includes overtime") and they mentioned the imminent launch, so something changed. the place i'm currently employed sells specialized too and word in the company is still a spring launch.
Mister cube
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they only do 29ers,not crappy mullets!So come on, let’s have them.
Rumours only and no truths please, so the thread doesn’t get taken down
singletrackminded
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i've reached out to a Specialized dealer suggesting that I am hopeful of a late spring early summer 2025 reveal. All the Dealer said is yes, the reveal seems to be pushed back a bit. I guess we can make of that what we can.
More old stock to shift first perhaps.
So the rumors are true, user friendly motor replace, you will get 2 motors with the bike, one you can use to reach the trails, and the other one to get back home. If your trails are are too far, or you want to ride for longer periods, spare motors available at half price.
Pyr0
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Interesting solution to remove the derailleur. Looks like a small motor and a geared hub.
Looks like a high pivot mash up Levo SL, got any more info on it?
Just a prototype from the PB article. Likely their first ideas about making some sort of MGU.
Seagrave7
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New Brose details.
Brose Drive³ Peak: Neuer Motor kommt 2025
Brose wird 2025 mit dem Drive³ Peak an den Start gehen. Die Berliner hatten ihr 48-Volt-Antriebssystem schon auf der Eurobike 2023 vorgestellt.
www.bike-magazin.de
Wild theory after listening to the Pinkbike podcast again.
When discussing Brose, Pinkbike mentioned a new motor which was shown a few years ago and presumably you’ll be using that.. now when the drive 3 was announced so was a concept MGU by Brose.
When discussing the DJI unit, paraphrasing but specialized said it’s good but nothing revolutionary you still get a flat tire and you can still knock off your derailer.
Later they asked the brand manager Buck if for the next generation levo are you aiming for evolutionary or revolutionary? He replied revolutionary.
What if the Gen 4 does use the Brose but the MGU unit shown at the same time as the drive 3.
When discussing Brose, Pinkbike mentioned a new motor which was shown a few years ago and presumably you’ll be using that.. now when the drive 3 was announced so was a concept MGU by Brose.
When discussing the DJI unit, paraphrasing but specialized said it’s good but nothing revolutionary you still get a flat tire and you can still knock off your derailer.
Later they asked the brand manager Buck if for the next generation levo are you aiming for evolutionary or revolutionary? He replied revolutionary.
What if the Gen 4 does use the Brose but the MGU unit shown at the same time as the drive 3.
Like I said, wild theory
sluette
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No Way !
They weren't talking about Mahle.
The quote from the podcast is:
Brian: Brose has a new 48 volt motor that got announced a few years ago, but it's still not at market. So presumably the next things you guys make will use that motor. but like why, why stick with Brose rather than do it yourself?
sluette
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Yes, it exists! But they never will bring an existing system in a new bike…
James_MTB
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100% No.So will new motor fit older frames????
Maybe one day when we have standardised mounting points.
electricbogaloo
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It won't have a gearbox because it would make the weight not competitive.
I can but dream
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This Gen4 story is truly exhausting. It seems like Specialized, driven by economists and marketing strategists, is losing its product leadership. What could have been an innovative project in the spring of '24 (the original launch date) will inevitably feel outdated—or at least not up to the level of innovation the Turbo Levo line has accustomed us to with previous generations. Continuing to delay can only erode the appeal of Specialized's offering in a market that is far from stagnant.
The number of loyal customers willing to wait for a new model is steadily decreasing, especially with strong alternatives from well-established brands like Santa Cruz, Orbea, Mondraker, or even unexpected players like DJI, to name a few. Every additional day Specialized waits to launch the Gen4 is a lost opportunity to acquire or retain customers, undermining the efforts of the product development team that likely had this ready months ago.
The number of loyal customers willing to wait for a new model is steadily decreasing, especially with strong alternatives from well-established brands like Santa Cruz, Orbea, Mondraker, or even unexpected players like DJI, to name a few. Every additional day Specialized waits to launch the Gen4 is a lost opportunity to acquire or retain customers, undermining the efforts of the product development team that likely had this ready months ago.
James_MTB
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Listening to it sounded a bit like the green-eyed monster.
electricbogaloo
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Hard to say if that's true without insider knowledge. It most likely has to do with the covid boom and bust cycle and too much leftover stock. Maybe another reason is the Avinox system and they went to implement some additional features. But on the other hand the Gen3 was and is a really competitive bike if the motor reliability got better (that's a bit unclear how much better it is). Until the Bosch 2025 launch the Levo was the lightest full power ebike with a removable battery without a rattling motor. That's quite an accomplishment for a bike that was released in 2021.
You also have to keep in mind that the innovation with ebikes is slowing down now. Yeah, we will see innovation here and there but overall the bikes are pretty refined now and we won't see huge improvements at least what in on trail performance. The focus will switch to electronic/connectivity stuff but I'm not really interested in that because the idea for me to get out with the bike is to get away from screens, not juggle an additional screen on my bike.
In terms of feeling, the levo gen3 totally blew away Bosch until gen4, it just felt much more natural. Apparently the new Bosch and the dji are now as good, but the levo set the bar for a long time.
I’m reliably informed the gen4 levo is worth waiting for, looking forward to seeing how they move the needle.
electricbogaloo
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I rode shimano e8000, Gen3 levo and Bosch Gen4 extensively and the Levo is still my favourite. The only thing that might be better on the Bosch Gen4 is efficiency/range and raw power but I don't even notice that myself as I'm light and have the 700/625 wh combo. Plus obviously the reliability of the Bosch seems better.
The Bosch Gen5 appears to be only a minor improvement compared to the Gen4 apart from the rattle. So Bosch essentially just went slightly ahead of the Specialized System after all these years because the Gen4 system was also way heavier and most bikes had long ass chainstays (not sure if the system was to blame for this but it was on the Gen2 Bosch I think).
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