That'll be great for refuelling at the bottom of every sketchy DH trail...
Levo Gen 4 Levo Gen 4 - Discussion Thread for 8th April launch
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MTB-WALES
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Has it got a float x on it ?
singletrackminded
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Yes, Fox Float X Genie 52.5 x 210 shock yeilding 150 mm of travel.
Hitorogoshi
Active member
that was dangled in front of customers - it worked
It looks so nice, just cant wait to see Expert and Comp colors.
Honestly thought about that to, actually this was something that I was looking for someone to implement someday as it gives so much freedom of choice to match your current riding etc...
So the 840Wh battery is a 14S3P configuration pack(42 cells). If they did go with this approach, then following my previous prediction stats:
560Wh is a 14S2P configuration (28 cells).
280Wh Extender is a 14S1P config. (14 cells).
Physically and electricaly it's possible to parallel connect the two later packs into a: 560Wh + 280Wh = 840Wh (14S3P) 42 cell pack the same as the big one.
I won't go into the electrical part of it(there are some limitations and regulations that need to be followed).
The extender can be built into a box type enclosure that would align with the dimensions of the main battery.
The challenges here are creating enclosures for both the 560Wh and the 280Wh extender that match in thickness and width and that the legth of both together isn't longer or maybe slightly longer than the bigger 840Wh.
Looking at the chunky downtube of the new bike it is pointing at this possibility, thicker but shorter battery packs to accommodate the extender with the smaller 560Wh pack.
When you ride the 840Wh there is maybe a tiny bit of SWAT box available or none, if you ride with the 560Wh the whole SWAT box is free, if you ride with the 560 and extender there is no SWAT box available.
If they did this this would be a feature none of other bikes on the market have, it would help to a clean look and stand out as a feature.
Now this also comes with a caveat, they would need to let people choose what type of energy pack they want with the bike at purchase, otherwise I see no advantage for the buyer - except for them, that is selling more batteries and extenders.
If this had the possibility of only riding on the 280pack when needed (making it 2-3kg lighter, that would be amazing)Honestly thought about that to, actually this was something that I was looking for someone to implement someday as it gives so much freedom of choice to match your current riding etc...
So the 840Wh battery is a 14S3P configuration pack(42 cells). If they did go with this approach, then following my previous prediction stats:
560Wh is a 14S2P configuration (28 cells).
280Wh Extender is a 14S1P config. (14 cells).
Physically and electricaly it's possible to parallel connect the two later packs into a: 560Wh + 280Wh = 840Wh (14S3P) 42 cell pack the same as the big one.
I won't go into the electrical part of it(there are some limitations and regulations that need to be followed).
The extender can be built into a box type enclosure that would align with the dimensions of the main battery.
The challenges here are creating enclosures for both the 560Wh and the 280Wh extender that match in thickness and width and that the legth of both together isn't longer or maybe slightly longer than the bigger 840Wh.
Looking at the chunky downtube of the new bike it is pointing at this possibility, thicker but shorter battery packs to accommodate the extender with the smaller 560Wh pack.
When you ride the 840Wh there is maybe a tiny bit of SWAT box available or none, if you ride with the 560Wh the whole SWAT box is free, if you ride with the 560 and extender there is no SWAT box available.
If they did this this would be a feature none of other bikes on the market have, it would help to a clean look and stand out as a feature.
Now this also comes with a caveat, they would need to let people choose what type of energy pack they want with the bike at purchase, otherwise I see no advantage for the buyer - except for them, that is selling more batteries and extenders.
retrograde
New Member
When I asked if the extender would mount externally, I was told it also goes into the downtube. I was surprised/skeptical but have no reason to doubt my source. I assume he meant the main and extender batteries would be in there concurrently rather than one-at-a-time. But perhaps you'd be limited to what combinations of different capacity batteries would be allowed (e.g., would 840Wh + extender be supported?). I got a quick glance of a photo of the 840Wh battery but couldn't determine its length.
Pinky Pilot
New Member
Specs are showing 2.3” tires. Is that correct?
Specs shows 2.3 yes, but doesn't mean it will actually come with 2.3 ... for Gen2 spec was 2,4 but in EU all came with 2.6 ...
nativeracer
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Not a Brose motor, side-load battery looks clean, and the option left up to the customer to change from class 1 to class 3. Which, if that’s the case, is great news for those of us in the US. It also means the rest of the bike industry will have to follow suit or get left behind in the States. We as consumers should have always had that as an option and not dictated to us by the manufacturers. I personally don’t see consumers buying a bike with a lower speed cut-off when another brand offers something significantly better. Just my two cents.
Gen3 2025 is already with 2,3 so I think its legit.
Greeno
New Member
As far as the battery pack config goes I think the previous poster #187 was incorrect.
13, not 14 cells in series is correct for 48v.
14 cells is for a 52v system.
My 23’ Levo is 36v with a 700w battery, pretty sure there using 21700 cells and it’s a 10s4p (40).
13, not 14 cells in series is correct for 48v.
14 cells is for a 52v system.
My 23’ Levo is 36v with a 700w battery, pretty sure there using 21700 cells and it’s a 10s4p (40).
Eduardoramundo
Well-known member
Are these official “leaks” if the pictures are not being pulled from the forum?
WatermanJim
Member
2.3 sounds small but i just put the cannibal 2.3s on my gen 3 and they look good and perform even better.
Ooof not keen on it visually from those photos.
AussieRuss
New Member
Here is the TCU pic I was sent a few weeks ago.
Where is the off/on button or is it touch screen or now done on the handlebar remote?
Where is the off/on button or is it touch screen or now done on the handlebar remote?
DirkWisely
Member
I think redundant controls are really nice for a mtb you might crash 20 miles from your car.
AussieRuss
New Member
Including power on/off?
AussieRuss
New Member
Here is another Question going through my mind.
If the battery is indeed a quick release side load what is the anti theft security?
What stops someone with an Allen key etc walking up to any bike & taking the battery?
Is the battery coded to the bike & will be a brick if stolen?
No doubt that will be explained in a few days but I am wondering.
If the battery is indeed a quick release side load what is the anti theft security?
What stops someone with an Allen key etc walking up to any bike & taking the battery?
Is the battery coded to the bike & will be a brick if stolen?
No doubt that will be explained in a few days but I am wondering.
retrograde
New Member
Longevity ... All the Brose and Bosch tear-down/repair videos out there are pretty revealing. I hope the new motors from Brose (and Bosch) are sealed better than their very recent versions while still allowing for heat dissipation and maintainability - all in what looks to be a smaller housing! There should not be a need for the sealing kits that the motor rebuilders now use - should be in the factory build.
That said, my dealer told me the new motor is a "Brose motor with a Specialized label" implying the design is Brose. If he's wrong, I wonder who at Specialized has the expertise to do motor design? I believe they have a firmware/electronics dev group in Colorado, kinematics and frame design in California, but haven't heard of a motor dev group.
That is what I was told by someone who knows!
Well, Shimano has had class 3 in the USA for over a year......I have one! And yes......I leave everyone else behind!!
My Shimano would also be viewed as a class 3 as it cuts power assist at 45kmh, but I'd hardly say I leave others in my wake. We just don't have the legal restrictions here in NZ.
But I still only have 85nm of torque.
It would be very interesting to have the availability of 101-111nm of torque as well as the "class 3" benefits of higher speed cutoff.
I think then, I could leave people behind...
Reliability is the biggest limitation I have seen with owning and riding Emtb’s on the regular over the past +4 years. Just rebuilding a motor was not the solution either.
The new G4 looks built up a bit more so than the previous generation so that should help. However, a meager two year warranty on the motor and battery just doesn’t cut it for those prices in my opinion.
DirkWisely
Member
Then again if you can afford the bike you can afford a replacement motor/battery.
retrograde
New Member
Not sure about revolutionary, but at the 2025 Taipei Cycle show, one of the booths was showing off a 2.3 Kg, 80nm motor that replaces all the planetary reduction gearing with "magnetic gearing". Advantages are lower friction losses so higher efficiency, fewer gears to wear, and much quieter operation. They said they could hit 90nm next year. Will be exciting to see where this goes and if it gets licensed or bought out.
Only bought on heavy closeout discount for my 21’ Rail 9.7 and 22’ Levo Comp. Most all parts replaced eventually on both bikes as things eventually failed and wore out.
Lots of folks with money to burn it sounds, especially those paying for complete Sworks or Pro models at retail. Even Expert too steep unless heavily discounted in my opinion.
Currently, I am eagerly awaiting for my Levo3/Sram broken shock and badly damaged frame warranty claim final outcome myself. So far, Spesh only offering 35% off for frame replacement. Local Sram rep coming to inspect damage and see what they say. Local shop trying to get me Levo4 as replacement. Fingers crossed. I know the only way I could afford one. If not, $2k off for Vala GX AXS locally is very tempting. Going on 3 weeks no ebike (no fun). Ok, descending analog still fun
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