Levo Gen 3 Levo Gen 4 2024 Rumours... And assorted random chat ....

[TonTonUB]

What is this ?

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If the photo is authentic (it is not impossible that the photo is a particularly sneaky attempt to misinform, until the final moment of revealing the 'real' turbo levo gen4), then Spesh is seriously fucked up.

We do not need more power, but real progress / evolutions / refinements (lighter batteries, compact motor)

The ZF centrix is a first step forward (not in levo gen4, i know ... even if i hope they prove me wrong). But on the one hand ZF have associated an irrelevant battery in terms of density, but also the controls are outdated (no wireless control, if I read correctly). In addition, Raymond did everything wrong with the Tarok (geo, removable battery, etc... everything has to be reworked).

European/Western manufacturers would have liked to build a highway to Chinese products, Dji in particular: they would not do it any other way.

So i'm askin, if any amnufacturer read me : innovative geo (or proven one, like the enduro / KSL), integrated light battery (600-700 WH for 2/3 kg max), ZF motor or Dji, aluminium frame gravity rated, compatible 27,5/mx/29 .... PLEASE ?

 

[Ribinrobin]

If the photo is authentic (it is not impossible that the photo is a particularly sneaky attempt to misinform, until the final moment of revealing the 'real' turbo levo gen4), then Spesh is seriously fucked up.

We do not need more power, but real progress / evolutions / refinements (lighter batteries, compact motor)
The ZF centrix is a first step forward. But on the one hand they have associated an irrelevant battery in terms of density, but also the controls are outdated (no wireless control, if I read correctly). In addition, Raymond really did everything wrong with the Tarok (geo, removable battery, etc... everything needs to be reviewed).
European/Western manufacturers would have liked to build a highway to Chinese products, Dji in particular: they would not do it any other way.

So i'm askin, if any amnufacturer read me : innovative geo (or proven one, like the enduro / KSL), integrated light battery (600-700 WH for 2/3 kg max), ZF motor or Dji, aluminium frame gravity rated, compatible 27,5/mx/29 .... PLEASE ?

The photos of a levo sl 2 s works, its not a gen 4 levo.

 

[TorAtle]

Confirmed.
Also interesting, sworks will be the most powerful.First time a brand differentiate power between spec levels if I'm not mistaken.

Specialized already does this on the Turbo Tero range; 50 vs 70 vs 90 Nm. Motors are versioned 2.0E, 2.0 and 2.2, but I think they are essientialy the same.

 

[mustclime]

Since the new Rail is 160/160 I am guessing the Levo will also increase the travel.

 

[TonTonUB]

The photos of a levo sl 2 s works, its not a gen 4 levo.

Considering motor size and it's position : i dont' believe. SL motor is way smaller. I made the comparison. But i can be wrong (photo angle, light / shadow, etc ...)

 

[Ribinrobin]

Considering motor size and it's position : i dont' believe. SL motor is way smaller. I made the comparison. But i can be wrong (photo angle, light / shadow, etc ...)

levo sl 2 s works, notice everything the same except the angle of the photo?

 

[David666]

Sometimes, people see what Thery want to see…
It is SL. Picture is from MBR review:
Specialized S-Works Turbo Levo SL Gen 2 e-bike first ride review - MBR

 

[sluette]

And SL comes with Fox36, which is shown on the Photo. Levo will come with Fox38 i guess...

 

[singletrackminded]

The photo is obviously a Levo SL2, not the new Turbo Levo, unfortunately. We will have to continue to wait, I guess.

 

[Ribinrobin]

But maybe even tho it’s definitely a Levo SL 2 it might just maybe be a…new kenevo

 

[Chicane]

But maybe even tho it’s definitely a Levo SL 2 it might just maybe be a…new kenevo

Looks like an Amflow to me, but it could be the sun.

 

[ckkone]

Probably won't release until the new SRAM stuff drops, wired T-type derailleur for the lower spec models. I know at least one other bike waiting on that.....

 

[luna87824]

Looks like an Amflow to me, but it could be the sun.

It could be because you did not zoom in and read the Specialized logo on the down tube.

 

[Double l]

U mean Shimano?

 

[Polar]

Looks more like S-Work whic also could be a disguise

 

[DylanJM]

I swear people are starting to lose it in this thread. That picture in the last page is an S-Works Levo SL 2 NOT the new gen 4 Levo.

 

[oettam20]

Probably won't release until the new SRAM stuff drops, wired T-type derailleur for the lower spec models. I know at least one other bike waiting on that.....

In my opinion, there’s no chance that the presentation will have any connection to the new SRAM mechanical direct-mount derailleur. In fact, the models they’ll initially introduce will only be the premium ones ( S-Worsk, Pro, Expert), which will therefore be equipped with AXS groupsets, just like the current lineup. The new SRAM mechanical derailleur will be fitted on the lower-end models, which, in any case, will be introduced a few months later.

 

[DuncanDoughnuts]

Let’s hope they bring the more powerful motor to the top 3 and not just the top 2 this year.

 

[Tooks]

I swear people are starting to lose it in this thread. That picture in the last page is an S-Works Levo SL 2 NOT the new gen 4 Levo.

Yeah, but what if you squint?!

 

[electricbogaloo]

Let’s hope they bring the more powerful motor to the top 3 and not just the top 2 this year.

I don't care about power but I hope it's weight is competitive with the amflow while having a removable battery.

Otherwise price wise it will be a hard sell to me.

 

[Bermo EMTB]

the biggest rumour i have come across is that the LEVO will actually work consistantly , but that is tooo far fetched to believe

 

[sluette]

I don't care about power but I hope it's weigh is competitive with the amflow while having a removable battery.

Otherwise price wise it will be a hard sell to me.

For me, the bikes are not comparable at all. In my eyes the AMFLOW clearly plays in the all-mountain league. The tests consistently show this because the bike has stability deficits in the headset and rear end. I see the Levo more in the Enduro field, as evidenced by its use in the E-Enduro series. That's why I don't expect any weight records, but rather 22kg again...

 

[electricbogaloo]

Idk the current levo is the exact same class as the Amflow. Granted the Amflows stock kinematics or flex might not be suited for hard riding by heavy people. But the stock levo link blows through the travel too fast and has not enough travel for fast and rough tracks.

And the other bikes with the avinox system will be interesting. I wonder if the system provides a removable battery option.

 

[linkqwd]

Another Amflow lalala.
Levo not the same category bike as Amflow. And not supposed to be as light as something else there is Levo SL for that

 

[sluette]

As Cannondale hit the market with Moterra SL, Levo SL was obsolet in my eyes...

 

[linkqwd]

Well in terms of weight Levo SL is a king, but thats all. Some says it handles really well but at the end of the day not my cup of tea.
Just wish regular Levo wont shift into SL category. For me it has to remain full fat and full capable bike with big and removable battery.

 

[Citylad77]

The Amflo after 500 miles is great bike as far as the Motor and Batt go. Ride quality wise my old 22MY S Works levo was in another league.

LD for new one I hear( from cleaning lady) 1st week of March.

 

[sluette]

I can only speak for the old SL, but it rides great. The difference to my 3kg lighter Stumpjumper is almost negligible.
But SL bikes with <85 / 90 Nm are only fun if you ride with bikes of equal strength, solo or extremely fit bikers. In a group with full-power e-bikes, it quickly becomes disillusioning... That's also the reason why I'm waiting for the Levo and won't be buying another SL...

 

[Phil M]

For me, the bikes are not comparable at all. In my eyes the AMFLOW clearly plays in the all-mountain league. The tests consistently show this because the bike has stability deficits in the headset and rear end. I see the Levo more in the Enduro field, as evidenced by its use in the E-Enduro series. That's why I don't expect any weight records, but rather 22kg again...

Exactly my thoughts.

Amflow does nothing for me. IMO it’s a bike for people who don’t really understand biking.

 

[sethimus]

For me, the bikes are not comparable at all. In my eyes the AMFLOW clearly plays in the all-mountain league. The tests consistently show this because the bike has stability deficits in the headset and rear end. I see the Levo more in the Enduro field, as evidenced by its use in the E-Enduro series. That's why I don't expect any weight records, but rather 22kg again...

steve from vorsprung already said everything there is to know about certain shock mounting decisions dji had on the amflow:

there is no excuse for the yoke + trunnion mount on the amflow, specialized at least uses a metric shock with the same stroke length