Levo Gen 3 Levo Gen 4 2024 Rumours... And assorted random chat ....

[Dax]

It's a KTM. No idea what the spesh controller does there. I hope specialized gets rid of that useless turbo button.

Turbo button goes through the data pages on the display.

 

[DuncanDoughnuts]

For me the wait was too long, I went from a Specialized Enduro Comp to a Santa Cruz Vala and I am completely satisfied.
This weekend I went for a 42Km ride with an elevation of 950 meters.
33Km in tour+ and 9Km in eMTB, I didn't feel the need for more power.
In the end 26% of battery was left, which means that 444Wh of the battery was consumed.
I weigh 68.5kg equipped and I'm 1.72 meters tall.
I'm in relatively good physical shape (53 years young

), considering I'm coming from a 2020 Specialized Enduro Comp and all my friends already ride ebikes

On this ride I went with a friend of mine (+- 1,85 meters) who has a 2022 Specialized Levo Comp and weighs 25kg more than me.
The Levo consumed 575Wh, that is, 29% more than the Vala. I believe that this difference is essentially due to the weight and physical shape of the rider.
The bike is a kit S, size M and weights 22,65Kg with pedals (405g), liquid in tubeless tires, mudguard and RideWrap 95%

I haven't done the jumps in the Enduro photo yet, but so far I haven't missed the 170mm of travel. The Vala is much quieter going down and more comfortable. When I land it feels like I'm landing on a mattress

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Very nice looking bike..

Yes weight plays a huge role in range. Im not unfit and im 86kg on a Levo ... and I cannot keep up with youngsters who weight 72 on Shimano EP8's on Pyga's. ...

.... the lighter you are ... the faster you are, regardless of the motor system.

MMMM it be hard to decided between that white and the green.

 

[Aitrui]

Its KTM Macina Kapoho: KTM Macina Kapoho Prestige in review – The name is the game. But is it?

It's my KTM macina prowler, I was just trolling you guys.

I use the spec remote to control my power levels, and power on/off, and walk button.

 

[Chicane]

Interesting bike indeed with a Spesh controller and Bosch motor - no display at all. I don't recognize it right away, but I doubt it is really a Spesh proto. You can find pics of the complete bike from here - obviously it is the same bike: Pic of the Day

Ya, It also looks like Saint brakes, so it's no Spesh proto.

 

[AussieRuss]

It's a KTM. No idea what the spesh controller does there. I hope specialized gets rid of that useless turbo button.

Sounds like you don't have the mastermind system. Its a useful button to flip through pages on mastermind equipped bikes.

 

[manuel13]

the spe site is inaccessible ....

 

[Superdad]

the spe site is inaccessible ....

I'm on it now with no issues. specialized.com

 

[manuel13]

I'm on it now with no issues. specialized.com

sorry, its ok on my phone but not on my pc.

 

[RichMorr]

I'm on it now with no issues. specialized.com

Looks like this for me

 

[Pyr0]

Website is back, but the only "new" 2025 full fat levos so far are the lower end levo, comp alloy and comp carbon.
The 2025 levo sl bikes have the genie shock.

 

[AussieRuss]

Am I correct that you can only get 2025 levo's in lower spec models.
Wondering if the new Gen 4 will launch very soon in Pro & S-works like they did with the Gen 3 launch.

 

[Phil M]

Had a quick read through.

I love my Gen 3 Levo but would change a few things… I’m not too fussed to swap but a handful of things would make me pretty quick.

900wh battery - 700 just isn’t enough for what I do and I’m not fussed about weight.

Full 29er would be nice - again for what I do it would work better.

Slightly longer reach on S4 - could do with 485/490. The current S5 is too big for me at 182cm.

 

[RichMorr]

Had a quick read through.

I love my Gen 3 Levo but would change a few things… I’m not too fussed to swap but a handful of things would make me pretty quick.

900wh battery - 700 just isn’t enough for what I do and I’m not fussed about weight.

Full 29er would be nice - again for what I do it would work better.

Slightly longer reach on S4 - could do with 485/490. The current S5 is too big for me at 182cm.

Don’t think this will happen, all the current specialized like the stumpjumper 15, Levo Sl2, Epic 8 etc all have similar reach and I could see the new Levo having similar numbers

 

[Dax]

Had a quick read through.

I love my Gen 3 Levo but would change a few things… I’m not too fussed to swap but a handful of things would make me pretty quick.

900wh battery - 700 just isn’t enough for what I do and I’m not fussed about weight.

Full 29er would be nice - again for what I do it would work better.

Slightly longer reach on S4 - could do with 485/490. The current S5 is too big for me at 182cm.

Sounds like those issues could be fixed with a range extender and a tweak to stem length? But really if the bike doesn’t fit, doesn’t have the right size wheels and doesn’t have a big enough battery, look at a different model/brand?

 

[electricbogaloo]

Yeah, with a 900wh battery the bikes handling would be compromised a lot compared to its competitors. The amflow is the future, at least if you want to ride trails.

 

[DylanJM]

I think the trend right now is toward 20ish kg full powered bikes so can't see them going with a huge battery. I could see 600-700Wh with option for a range extender.

I assume at this point we are not going to get any reveal until 2025 now.

 

[electricbogaloo]

Yeah, I'd also say the sweetspot for handling vs range is a modular concept where you can carry something between 500 and 700 Wh plus range extender. So we will get some full power but with smaller batteries class and a full fat class for people that just want range and don't want to ride fast singletrack with big batteries and 25 kg plus wieght.

 

[Phil M]

I’d seen the Canyon whatever that gives you the option of a 700 or 900 battery, both integrated… that’s what I’d prefer over using an extender.

I’m not unhappy with what I’ve got at all, it’s amazing.. and my point are splitting hairs really. It fits nice but a tiny bit more reach would be good (I’m kinda maxed out) full 29 just to carry a bit more speed, nothing wrong with current mullet, and I don’t want to move from Specialized as it’s so convenient for me to get any issues sorted as a Specialized dealer is about 5 miles away.

 

[robikinkela]

For now, the state of the art of technology will not allow everyone to dream of having a full-power ebike weighing 20 kg. Those who wanted to get close to this weight, like Santa with the new Vala, had to settle for a 600 W/h battery, which is still a compromise. The option consists of using the range extender, but at that point, weight is added and handling suffers. So here we go again: the blanket is still short...

 

[DylanJM]

For now, the state of the art of technology will not allow everyone to dream of having a full-power ebike weighing 20 kg. Those who wanted to get close to this weight, like Santa with the new Vala, had to settle for a 600 W/h battery, which is still a compromise. The option consists of using the range extender, but at that point, weight is added and handling suffers. So here we go again: the blanket is still short...

Amflow weighs 19ish kg with a 600wh battery. Can't be much more than 20kg with the 800wh one. It is possible. I'm confident Specialized could come with something in the 20kg range with a 600-800Wh battery.

If the Levo still has a removeable battery it would be nice to see multiple size options. Say 400, 600 and 800wh options. Then people can choose what they want to run.

 

[linkqwd]

Amflow weighs 19ish kg with a 600wh battery. Can't be much more than 20kg with the 800wh one. It is possible. I'm confident Specialized could come with something in the 20kg range with a 600-800Wh battery.

They could, but with compromised specs, we've already seen that with SL gen1 with 34 Fox fork, saving weight with components to save few kg isn't worth it.
I hope that Specialized wont go that way, I like how my 23kg levo rides downhill, I actually dont want it be less heavy, I believe many riders appreciate heavy and planted bikes. Not everything should be lightweight as possible.

 

[DylanJM]

They could, but with compromised specs, we've already seen that with SL gen1 with 34 Fox fork, saving weight with components to save few kg isn't worth it.
I hope that Specialized wont go that way, I like how my 23kg levo rides downhill, I actually dont want it be less heavy, I believe many riders appreciate heavy and planted bikes. Not everything should be lightweight as possible.

We've come a long way since the Levo SL 1. The amflow isn't running a 34. I see the trend moving towards the 20kg number for high performance bikes. Amflow have shown it can be done, everyone else will have to catch up.

 

[electricbogaloo]

I think the Amflow with the 800 wh battery is 21 kg or a tad more depending on frame size. It has heavier parts though to the top model could be close to 20 kg with the heavier battery.

A removable battery will ad weight though. At least half a kg.

And a 500-600wh battery is perfectly fine for bigger rides with up to 1000-2000 meters elevation gain depending on rider weight, spees and terrain. That is at normal cycling speeds. Not turbo all the time. But you will have to work way less than with an acoustic bike and can ride stuff uphill that you can't without a motor.

 

[linkqwd]

We've come a long way since the Levo SL 1. The amflow isn't running a 34. I see the trend moving towards the 20kg number for high performance bikes. Amflow have shown it can be done, everyone else will have to catch up.

yes amflow isn't running a 34, but its frame is extremely light which is only 2.27kg, some call it flexy in recent reviews.
Anyway its great product. I just wish in future there will be still heavy and robust ebikes and there will be manufacturers who wont follow this trend with 20kg mark.

 

[electricbogaloo]

As of now there isn't a trend as all other manufacturers bikes have gotten heavier and heavier since intube batteries have taken over. The weights of some builds have become insane like 28 kg plus. Only Shimano full power bikes were light.

And the Levo is first and foremost a mountainbike that should have good handling on singletrails. That is not possible when its heavy and has a high center of gravity due to a big battery. Specialized knows this and it was the reason they opted for the turned motor design to have a quick removable battery and low weight. It compromised optics but until the new Bosch stuff the Levo was the only full power ebike in its category with not rattle, removable battery and low weight.

I just wonder if they keep the removable battery. With a non removable one they could probably match the weight of the amflow but I think that shouldn't be the focus.

 

[DylanJM]

I think manufactures want to convert as many meat bike riders over to emtbs as possible over the next few years. 25kg+ bikes will be a hard sell to that crowd but if you give them a 20kg (or sub 20kg) bike that looks and feels almost like their meat bike then it will be a different story.

 

[Mikerb]

Maybe some of you guys should check out the new Whyte E Lyte EVo.......essentially the original E Lyte but now with the latest full power Bosch CX motor. Battery is kept fairly small but the bike includes a range extender mounted low and it is claimed to have the lowest centre of balance with or without the extender fitted.

 

[AussieRuss]

Our group now ride regular 40-50km rides each week over 3+ hours on a variety of trails from Green,Blue,Black level.
We ride with one friend on a Norco with a 900 Battery & often find that the 630 batteries & 700 Levo batteries are now not enough for our rides. We would love a Battery that is capable of hitting in the low 50km range in trail mode to wear ourselves out. Currently its only the 900 Battery on the Norco that can put out mid levels of power for 4 hours without the battery anxiety kicking in. An 800 size battery would be ideal for our style of riding

 

[RichMorr]

Our group now ride regular 40-50km rides each week over 3+ hours on a variety of trails from Green,Blue,Black level.
We ride with one friend on a Norco with a 900 Battery & often find that the 630 batteries & 700 Levo batteries are now not enough for our rides. We would love a Battery that is capable of hitting in the low 50km range in trail mode to wear ourselves out. Currently its only the 900 Battery on the Norco that can put out mid levels of power for 4 hours without the battery anxiety kicking in. An 800 size battery would be ideal for our style of riding

Think it all depends on the mode you pick I’ve done 35 to 40 miles worth of riding with 3500 feet of elevation and still have 35 to 40% battery left because I’m using microtune set at 10 or 20 only going to the higher assistance if necessary.

 

[Polar]

Think it all depends on the mode you pick I’ve done 35 to 40 miles worth of riding with 3500 feet of elevation and still have 35 to 40% battery left because I’m using microtune set at 10 or 20 only going to the higher assistance if necessary.

Of course mode is a major factor therfore some prefer and ned close to full power all the time.