Levo Gen 3 Levo Gen 4 2024 Rumours... And assorted random chat ....

[electricbogaloo]

What did we miss?

Ive gone the other way ... I have a gen 3 expert and ive swapped the 700 for a 500 and swapped the X2 for a x rear Shox, 38 for a 36, and now I have a lightweight mean racing machine...

I have never found that the bike in its default configuration has even been a limit to what I want to ride.

But keeping on topic ... I hope they add coast shift to the new gen4

I also don't really need the big battery but I think the rear suspension of the Levo is a limiting factor. I mean its intended as a trailbike and the kenevo is for the bigger stuff but 160 mm would be better suited for it because on slightly rougher stuff or jumps it blows too fast trough its travel and doesn't feel planted. I'm still on the fence if I should get the normal cascade link or the long shock link and a new shock...

 

[James_C]

It's normal with embargoed info. It's a balance between clues and too much info

deleted by who? How are the moderators supposed to know what is rumour, fiction or truth?!

 

[salko]

They are moderators, they know (/ride) things ...

 

[DuncanDoughnuts]

I think before they even consider releasing a new bike can they please fix the existing App .... or allow us to use the old one again. If the new app is any indication on the quality of the new bike I think I'll be moving away from specialised.

 

[Ou812]

I think before they even consider releasing a new bike can they please fix the existing App .... or allow us to use the old one again. If the new app is any indication on the quality of the new bike I think I'll be moving away from specialised.

I downgraded to the old TCU, originally did it to get rid of the cable going to the bar controller but the plus side is I can use the BLEvo app. The new Spesh app is basically unusable so it ended up working out better than I had planned.

 

[Chicane]

I think before they even consider releasing a new bike can they please fix the existing App .... or allow us to use the old one again. If the new app is any indication on the quality of the new bike I think I'll be moving away from specialised.

Zero issues with the new app for me. I guess it must be a euro thing.

 

[singletrackminded]

I too am unhappy w/ the new Mission Control App. The old one was much more intuitive. What happened to the feature that tracked your air time and distance when jumping? I find the graphs on the new version to be indecipherable.

 

[zorro77]

I downgraded to the old TCU, originally did it to get rid of the cable going to the bar controller but the plus side is I can use the BLEvo app. The new Spesh app is basically unusable so it ended up working out better than I had planned.

Same here! I chose the basic Carbon to have the old TCU , so Blevo!!!

 

[Rando_12345]

deleted by who? How are the moderators supposed to know what is rumour, fiction or truth?!

I assume Rob is one of the moderators, and he knows everything. The moderators delete only the rumours that are accurate. Therefore, all the rumours that are still written in this thread are wrong.

 

[Janisj]

Zero issues with the new app for me. I guess it must be a euro thing.

Guess you never really used the new app to record a tour, analyze data, and configure your bike... of course a taste of old mission control helps here a lot to understand the whole dept of crap.

 

[zerofunds]

Makes me smile when people can't ride a bike because of an app.

 

[Superdad]

Guess you never really used the new app to record a tour, analyze data, and configure your bike... of course a taste of old mission control helps here a lot to understand the whole dept of crap.

I seem to be able to do all those things just fine in the new app.
What’s missing?
Seems like they simply rearranged the interface a bit.
I just adjust my various assist settings, hit record ride, and stuff the phone in my seat pack. I ride to get away from gadgets!

 

[sluette]

What happened to the feature that tracked your air time and distance when jumping?

Seriously? Is that you’re looking for? I wouldn't have thought that anyone relies specifically on these data …

 

[mustclime]

I use Strava to track my rides, zero use for the app….

 

[Chicane]

I use Strava to track my rides, zero use for the app….

I use Strava and the Spec app, just to see some added info, which is enough for me.

Unlike others, I prefer the mastermind, as I only ride in micro tune mode. The 10% increments don’t have the huge power jumps and feels much smoother.

 

[Zed]

deleted by who? How are the moderators supposed to know what is rumour, fiction or truth?!

Specialized tells them. This is how we can confirm rumours

 

[Zed]

Seriously? Is that you’re looking for? I wouldn't have thought that anyone relies specifically on these data …

When I first rode with my Garmin it'd beep loudly after every bit of time off the ground. Was annoying AF
Pointless feature IMO.

 

[sluette]

Setting up Garmins correctly is a pain, that's true. But this particular feature—counting how many jumps and how far—is just complete nonsense. Garmin has it too. It's inaccurate and therefore totally unnecessary...

 

[Janisj]

I seem to be able to do all those things just fine in the new app.
What’s missing?
Seems like they simply rearranged the interface a bit.
I just adjust my various assist settings, hit record ride, and stuff the phone in my seat pack. I ride to get away from gadgets!

Then try to record the ride together with Strava or Garmin, then compare the recorded data. New Speci App f.e. is way off counting 100-200hm extra on 1000hm. I had a long discussion with Speci tech team, they admitted an issue , i tried some new app versions. At the end it was not fixed. Even recorded data on Mastermind are fully different to the Speci App, what a joke!
Battery Charge limit is not working, only one display profile is possible, firmware data and ota update...etc... All that was working in MC. Of course there are things also better in the new App, like user interface and visual configuration, but that is more "game boy"

 

[sluette]

Calculating altitude via GPS seems to be rocket science… same GPX track delivers different results in Strava, Komoot or Garmin Connect…

 

[Superdad]

Then try to record the ride together with Strava or Garmin, then compare the recorded data. New Speci App f.e. is way off counting 100-200hm extra on 1000hm. I had a long discussion with Speci tech team, they admitted an issue , i tried some new app versions. At the end it was not fixed. Even recorded data on Mastermind are fully different to the Speci App, what a joke!
Battery Charge limit is not working, only one display profile is possible, firmware data and ota update...etc... All that was working in MC. Of course there are things also better in the new App, like visual configuration, but that is more "game boy"

I don’t know what ”f.e.” or “hm” even means.
I really don’t care much about all the stats. As long as I can fine tune the assist and ride the bike.

Your statement that the 80% Battery Charge Limit feature is not working is mildly concerning, though easy enough to deal with manuall—and the truth is that these batteries are not all that sensitive and will last a long time (unless a cell fails) regardless of charging patterns.

As for over the air updates, it was my understanding that discontinuing that feature was very much intentional as Specialized wants the dealers to update the bikes (perhaps so they can be sure that a derestricter is not in use; I just bought a Levociraptor Gen3 but have yet to install it).

 

[etoni]

Byby dji, byby gen5, byby pinion..
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[Pyr0]

At around 7:20, did he say 16K for pricing on the top models ???

 

[RichMorr]

Did he say 16K for pricing on the top models ???

16 to 20k he said

 

[James_MTB]

Analyzing this video from a marketing perspective, which is the only reason the two Specialized representatives are there, there are several insights we can deduce.

First, that the new Levo has been developed by listening to the real needs of riders.
Second, that the specs on paper will be lower ( not as good as) compared to new offerings (like the new DJI motors and others presented at Eurobike), which is why they say that ‘they are not important and can confuse the consumer.’
Third, It won’t be a featherweight, and therefore, it will weigh significantly more than the 19,9 kg benchmark of the Moterra SL, Orbea RISE LT, AM Flow, because they repeatedly emphasize that they will have solid bikes made with robust components that inevitably increase the weight.

Furthermore, by stressing how the current Levo is still valid, they confirm that they will only present the top-of-the-line models (S-Works and Expert), while the more economical models will continue for several more months with the GEN3.
They don’t say anything explicitly, but between the lines, they are preparing the consumer to evaluate the GEN4 with a different perspective

Exactly my thoughts it did make me smile

Whenever there’s been a new Levo, I’ve always ordered one.

This time I’m waiting to see the Amflow/DJI bike

 

[sluette]

Good to have the early adopters on board. For me, both DJi and Amflow first have to prove what they are capable of in the series

 

[mustclime]

Dji is the drone company right? Do they have a lot of experience water proofing motors from morons with pressure washers? Do drones spend a lot of time in the mud? Count me out on the beta testing.

 

[galaga187]

Byby dji, byby gen5, byby pinion..
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Summary of what the video says (AI Generated so may contain errors )

Summary​

• Introduction to the Turbo Levo 2025: The video provides an overview of the anticipated features and specifications of the 2025 Turbo Levo, focusing on the new motor, battery options, and design changes.
• Motor and Performance Enhancements: The bike will feature the new Bros Drive 3 motor with 95 Nm of torque and a higher voltage for increased efficiency. The motor will no longer use a belt, making it more compact and aesthetically pleasing.
• Battery Options: Two battery options are discussed: a 630Wh battery for a lighter setup and an 840Wh battery for longer range, both contributing to a bike weight under 20 kg.
• Suspension and Design Innovations: Specialized collaborates with Fox for a unique double positive chamber shock, eliminating the need for an additional reservoir and allowing more customization in the bike’s geometry.
• Aesthetic and Geometry Updates: The aesthetics of the bike have been refined with a more integrated design, including wireless components and options like Ohlins or Fox suspension systems.

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• The suspension on the 2025 Turbo Levo has been significantly improved through a collaboration between Specialized and Fox. The key enhancements include:
  • Double Positive Chamber Shock: This new shock design incorporates two positive air chambers. The first chamber handles the initial and progressive travel of the suspension, while the second chamber kicks in towards the end of the travel to prevent bottoming out. This design improves the overall smoothness and responsiveness of the suspension.
  • Elimination of the Additional Reservoir: By integrating the functions of the reservoir into the shock itself, the new design reduces weight and simplifies the bike's layout without compromising performance. This also allows for better integration and aesthetics.
  • Adjustable Geometry: The updated suspension system allows for more customization of the bike's geometry, letting riders adjust the head angle and rear geometry to suit their preferences or the terrain they are riding on.
• These improvements result in a more refined and high-performance suspension system, enhancing the bike's capability across different terrains while maintaining comfort and control.

• Insights Based on Numbers​

  • 95 Nm of Torque: This significant torque figure highlights the bike’s power, which is crucial for off-road performance.
  • Battery Weights: The options between a lighter 630Wh and a more powerful 840Wh battery allow for different riding styles and distances, making the bike versatile.
  • Sub-20 kg Weight: Achieving a weight under 20 kg is a remarkable feat for an e-bike, making it highly competitive in the market.

 

[Pyr0]

16 to 20k he said

I know it was regarding the top end models (which I usually disregard), but I can't see many people rushing out to buy if Specialized put them out at that sort of price.
With 2 year warranty, that's 8-10k per year. No thanks.

 

[Four Flusher]

All BS, no new Levo until 2025, next Levo will be tweaks only, I really hope that I’m wrong