Other JUST DROPPED: All-new Slash+ e-MTB

[whitymon]

Ok and the battery in that whole scenario?

Friendly reminder, Trek slash+ 9.7 is already 8k ... and I agree that the specs are not excellent. There is no in between unfortunately as the next 9.9 is 12k wth.

Would like a grip2 on that one, that and there is absolutely no stock out there, my trek LBS has zero slash/slash-plus for this year and year+ unfortunately.

 

[Cameyo]

Ok and the battery in that whole scenario?

Went down from 100% to 40%. Eventually did another climb and finished with 1550m of climbs going 90% on turbo and 6% battery left

 

[whitymon]

btw the overheat you mentioned is also similar to the rocky mountain but my guess was that the Rocket is way more powerful or am I wrong?

 

[Cameyo]

I normally ride Kenevo SL 1.1 which continuously delivers 290W of power on Turbo. Was thinking to switch to Trek for the bigger built-in battery but now have a lot of doubts.

 

[Cameyo]

I would not sleep if I didn't do this comparison immediately. Same conditions, same ascents. On Kenevo SL 1.1 + extender (480wh) I did today 1450m of climbs with 11% battery left. 100% on Turbo i.e. ~290w. I probably would do the same ascents as on Slash but it got dark and Spec was not cutting down the power to 200w like Trek did duet to overheating.

Old Kenevo SL would do the same meters up with 480wh vs. 580wh on Trek.
It doesn't overheat even at 500m climbs whereas Trek cut down the power from 200m up.

 

[whitymon]

I would not sleep if I didn't do this comparison immediately. Same conditions, same ascents. On Kenevo SL 1.1 + extender (480wh) I did today 1450m of climbs with 11% battery left. 100% on Turbo i.e. ~290w. I probably would do the same ascents as on Slash but it got dark and Spec was not cutting down the power to 200w like Trek did duet to overheating.

Old Kenevo SL would do the same meters up with 480wh vs. 580wh on Trek.
It doesn't overheat even at 500m climbs whereas Trek cut down the power from 200m up.

So now how it goes now?

I also wonder if you really need to be in turbo or if eco/trail might be enough on the Kenevo due to its light weight. I bet it is more effort but I was hoping that even the Eco mode was giving more assistance that just the difference of weight.

Same for the Slash+?

KSL 2 is at the moment, in some places let's say cheap (comp at 5.8k), Slash+ 9.7 expensive still 8k but nearly unavailable where I live.

 

[Cameyo]

I also wonder if you really need to be in turbo or if eco/trail might be enough on the Kenevo due to its light weight. I bet it is more effort but I was hoping that even the Eco mode was giving more assistance that just the difference of weight.

I normally ride either eco or trail modes but wanted to maximize the ascents in the 2-2.5h window which I had at the time.

 

[whitymon]

Let me rephrase to be sure, do you steel feel the Eco boost on pedaling in the KSL and Slash or for would it be only like counter extra weight?

 

[Cameyo]

yes you do feel it. You can tune it in the app how strong is the assistance.

 

[Cameyo]

just checked on the power calculator. You need ca. 15W to compensate additional 5kg of weight plus say 5w for less efficient drivetrain = 20w needs to be compensated to go at the same speed as on an analogue bike.
Eco mode would give easily 50-100w which is a massive support

 

[whitymon]

Damn @Cameyo could you give me some insights about the way you feel these two bikes that would allow me to jump on one?

I really have a hard time picking one of the two.

KSL 1.2 is available to 5.8k in comp, so meaning I can along the way spare money for better parts later - and range extender.
Slash+ 7.7 is still, 8k with same kind of spec but with better battery/range.

KSL seems really good but kind of longer wheel base
Slash+ high pivot seems pretty on spot with suspension feeling - would definitely buy one day a vivid but out of the question with the current tag price at the moment.

I am really only looking to ease the climbs to do as much DH laps as I can, to have fun, tests new things and be better. I do no think I need that much assistance but on the KSL apparently the cadence needs to be higher than on the TQ which I am not sure I would like that much.

From what you are saying the comparison range is only fair when having the extender on the KSL, which make the bike heavier and maybe less composed/playful.

Last point about the high pivot, how fast these pulley are wearing? I read that lower forces are applied on them so they might last way longer.
Still as idler and lower are Trek specific ones, does that mean we are somehow vendor lock (not sure it is not generic - I guess the bash guard pulley is a third party one MRP MXG) and past a certain time Trek will no longer be able to provide new ones. I think of wear but also of rocks/crash that could damage/bent it.

I am really mostly looking for a bike to get me uphill, I do not care much how fast honestly as I ride mostly alone, playful and poppy.

Sorry to bother you mate, any advices/feedback would be much appreciated.