I admit was excited about the FLYON, until I realized its frame is carbon (or carbon/aluminum).
I think carbon is a gimmick (even a scam), unless you are a professional racer (probably many on this forum are) - because even 1 fall will likely mean the end of your bike (which was the case with me and my new Carbon Diverge - fell on the first ride out of the bike shop, with the frame cracking in 3 places).
So unless they make an all-aluminum FLYON - no FLYON for me.
But maybe the Haibike FLYON is a sign of what may come with the Levo 2019 - can't believe Specialized would allow itself to be so outdone by Haibike's more powerful motor and bigger battery (assuming Haibike's claims are not overly exaggerated).
I admit was excited about the FLYON, until I realized its frame is carbon (or carbon/aluminum).
I think carbon is a gimmick (even a scam), unless you are a professional racer (probably many on this forum are) - because even 1 fall will likely mean the end of your bike (which was the case with me and my new Carbon Diverge - fell on the first ride out of the bike shop, with the frame cracking in 3 places).
So unless they make an all-aluminum FLYON - no FLYON for me.
Noone is standing still, but innovation seems to be taking different directions. I'm under the impression that most manufacturers are focusing on less weight. The new Panasonix X0 has seen a weight reduction for 2019, the new Shimano E7000 weighs less than the E8000 and sacrifices some power, the new Brose weighs quite a bit less for 2019. So it's a bit surprising to see Haibike releasing a motor weighing 1+ kg more than the Brose/E8000/E7000. Sure there's probably customers for the FLYON, and I'm guessing people looking to derestrict will/may love it.it seems there is a lot of split opinions on this engine almost nitpicking who cares.its a stunning looking bike and cant wait to see the video rob puts out,to me the 120 Nm is about innovation not standing still and not keeping the torque the same as it has been for the last couple of years giving people choice if you dont want 120Nm then stick to whats out there allready at the end of the day its about choice and im glad to see the manufacturers being innovative and not standing still.
That's exactly how I envisioned the process!Take a look at how Santa Cruz test their carbon frames
Yeah, that's a nice feature, I'd like to have the option to do DH rund without battery and motor. The removable weight is about 3kg if I understand correctly. I think there was supposed to be more info on it today.Key thing with the Lapierre is that the battery and motor are removable. For me that is huge, may not need a no electric bike at that point.
Lapierre E-Zesty AM - Carbonbike mit Fazua-Antrieb | E-MOUNTAINBIKE MagazineYeah, that's a nice feature, I'd like to have the option to do DH rund without battery and motor. The removable weight is about 3kg if I understand correctly. I think there was supposed to be more info on it today.
We should start a new thread about this bike.Lapierre E-Zesty AM - Carbonbike mit Fazua-Antrieb | E-MOUNTAINBIKE Magazine
I have seen Carbon MTB'S flung off tracks and drops in crashes and only suffer scratches, the lay up of Carbon in an MTB frame is going to be significantly different to that in a Road Bike. Rob who runs the Forum has crashed his Carbon Levo several times and its fine.
I actually am not a massive fan of Carbon bikes, preferring steel on a road bike, but a good Carbon MTB frame is a very strong bit of kit.
Hi!Take a look at how Santa Cruz test their carbon frames, I realise it's a different brand, and doesnt cover impacts of tubes onto rocks, but its still interesting:
I think it really depends on where you use the bike. In the Netherlands, were hill is a foreign word and mountains are clouds, no you really do not need more power. Turbo on a cx is already overkill.
In the Swiss alps? Making very steep climbs? Power could be usefull.
Then again, it is not just about what people need, it is also what people want, since more speed isn't possible under current laws, more power atracts buyers.
Also interesting to point out, the speed sensor is built into the rear brake disc and they say it is coded and cannot be manipulated. So no more overriding the speed governer.
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