Richridesmtb
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but in reality a bike motor is just that a bike motor, whose DC design has been long detailed since milk floats abounded. There's not much new on DC motors other than computer controlling the field windings and even that has been around for a decades.
Mind you 25km and 1000m of climb at full power must put it up there with some of the full fat motors with much larger motors and batteries.
He could have been out the previous night on the lash and could only average a pathetic amount of human input up the hills.
Zimmer where have I said that ?But then if you're going to discount his professionalism and the relevance of his findings, does it even matter what he says, what mode he rides in, what terrain he rides ?
Post 89 in this thread :Zimmer where have I said that ?
You have some valid points, you just seem to be chomping at the bit over a carrot you can't reach ? You sound a bit like you've eaten too many oats and need to go for a good ride or to be put out to stud for a couple of days ! :-DOK I'm out of this discussion, seems I'm flogging a dead horse or two.
might even know what colour the bike is ....
Apologies, it’s 12 seconds of extra performance (cue @Zimmerframe for a cheeky quip here )
Bike will be released soon,but you’ll probably not be expecting a bike like this from this brand!
Haibike?
please rob do not reveal that is a decathlon bike
I like your attitude. Thankfully in Washington (where I live) there is no enforcement of "no ebike" rules but these bikes are gonna make it near impossible for anyone who cares.....HAHA!!!!!!I am gonna put my guess that it was an Ibis he was testing? They are gonna have to get into the EMTB game sooner or later. When they do, I’d bet it would be in the SL category and not FF (and it will probably be manufactured in California, just like the Exie cross country bike). We will see. I would love an Ibis EMTB to go with my Mojo.
I’ve already paid for a Fuel EXe that will be at my dealer in about a week. Based on Rob’s review of the Fazua Ride 60 and every bit of other research I’ve done, I think the Trek with the TQ motor was the right choice. I’ll take a 50 nm motor with a little smaller battery and a silent motor over the 60 nm Fazua. I think the Trek looks less like an EMTB than either the Pivot or the Transition (although these two hardly look like an EMTB also), which is also something I wanted. There are too many places in the US that still don’t allow EMTB. I will not hesitate to ride that Trek on any trail in the US, including Moab and Sedona.
I am also interested to hear Rob’s thought on the TQ vs. the Fazua Ride 60.
Im hoping it’s an Ibis also, built on Ripmo platform....I agree that the appeal of the Trek, Pivot, or Transition is that they don't look like an E Bike!... when we riding Sedona?!?!
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ohm13:I like your attitude. Thankfully in Washington (where I live) there is no enforcement of "no ebike" rules but these bikes are gonna make it near impossible for anyone who cares.....HAHA!!!!!!
I like your attitude. Thankfully in Washington (where I live) there is no enforcement of "no ebike" rules but these bikes are gonna make it near impossible for anyone who cares.....HAHA!!!!!!
Wow, was that a 2-beer or 5-beer or 12 pack reply? Obviously I'm not going to change your mind. Rob's test ride was exactly the kind of riding I do every time I go out. It was extremely appropriate for me and a lot of us other how-fast-can-I-go mountain bikers. For goodness sakes, man, we want to know how it will stack up against our full fat bikes in the harshest conditions. Just another point of view, eh?Dreams are free, average weight of a non EBike full suspension these days are up around 29 - 30lbs ( excluding the exotics, just your average bike that anyone can afford ), motors even the lightest say 6lbs batteries say another 6lbs before you add in displays and wiring and larger brakes etc etc. Thats not going to change much in the next few decades I'm afraid.
Great you need your full fat because you want to be in the fast group, perfect thats your choice. Equally anyone of the major brands will do that climb, but not all will suit you and your requirements, hence we all buy different bikes. Equally if you slowed down even just few mph the physics surrounding power and battery power storage will dictate that you will use a lot less W/hs to get to the top, you could fit a smaller lighter battery. Going to the extreme of a very small lightweight engine say of 350W's ( Fazua 50 ) at by memory around 2lbs but with say a couple of teeth less on the front cog ( remember in climbing its not the power the engine will put out but how much torque is transmitted via the gearing to the rear wheel = battery requirement ) will do that climb, just at a slower average mph.
So Rob going hammer and tongs to simply flatten the battery of the bike to see the range of the bike, how does that tell you how the motor is going to perform ? He could have been out the previous night on the lash and could only average a pathetic amount of human input up the hills. Or he could have drunk the perfect amount of energy drink and honed himself for the day of the test ( as I'm sure he always does ). That basic difference in human power input would probably change his figures dramatically giving probably another 30 minutes of range. Perhaps he had a flattish tyre and didn't realise ? Even perhaps the bikes suspension wasn't set up correctly and thus was absorbing energy needlessly on every jump and bump, dissipating loads of energy in the form of heat. Had he had a largish lunch and supper before riding, try carrying ten full buckets up a short hill, now 1/2 empty the buckets and see which uses the least energy ( thats battery Whs to you and me ).
There are so many variables all inputting into the final range calculation guys, that these tests in my view are totally meaningless and in some ways harsh on the manufacturers, as these guys can make or break a bike on that first review, which indeed he has with your words
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Not as loud as i9.- freewheeling makes a bit of a noise a bit like a loud hub.
This might be a deal breaker. Are we talking Industry Nine hub loud, or something more like a DT Swiss star ratchet hub? I'll take the soft whir and gentle rattle of an EP8 anyday over the angry bees scream of an I9.
Not as loud as i9.
I go against the tide. I ordered the Shuttle SL and I'm happy I don't have the I9 bodice. At the moment I have it both on MTB and gravel. Flawless operation but I can't stand its noise anymore
Now the Garmin records emtb, have they adapted it further and it's showing you power not total power ? What does it show if you make it private and change it to "ride" ?Today I used 65 trail and turbo.
Superb enjoyable ride, motor in the mid mode (River mode?!) - side note, brands have got to stop calling modes stupid names, but it is nice and responsive and progressive in power delivery.
Ps - Strava average rider power seems way off
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I thought the I9 Torch hubs wear annoyingly loud, but my Hydra hubs are more quiet than my DT Swiss 240 hubs with 54 ratchet.I go against the tide. I ordered the Shuttle SL and I'm happy I don't have the I9 bodice. At the moment I have it both on MTB and gravel. Flawless operation but I can't stand its noise anymore
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