Gofurtherfaster
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Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but do you perhaps use Strava?I do believe that it is a bit over your bed time........
Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but do you perhaps use Strava?I do believe that it is a bit over your bed time........
No.....Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but do you perhaps use Strava?
Have you ever considered some lectures in basic communication skills, you sure need it.......Oh god, even worse, taking offence on behalf of other people.
Don't let that be your life. :-D
This is a forum about emtbs mate, I think people who record their times using strava are a bit lame, you don't have to agree, but you probably didnt need to go so deep into things.. you seem precious so I won't poke any more.Have you ever considered some lectures in basic communication skills, you sure need it.......
On a side note, I think anyone who uses strava has gone wrong earlier in their lives.
Maybe tone it down a bit? You seem to be in the mood today to go OTT on a couple of threads with your responses.
Most of us on here ride bikes because we love riding bikes, and really dont care who's the fastest, can jump the furthest, or do the most loops.
Jokes are supposed to be funny...Haha, it was a joke,
So much misconception out there
The e-bike debate hits Jeffco as Open Space studies use on trails – The Denver PostBonnell said some hikers surveyed at parks said they had never seen an e-bike, just as a “ghost rider,” a park ranger on an e-bike, rode past them unnoticed. Others were against the idea of e-bikes until they tried one at one of the demos set up by local retailers at trail heads. Before-and-after surveys showed their opinion flipped, Bonnell said.
"No way! It looks just like a regular bicycle!" We laughed, but I told him my Lyme Disease sob story, and how pedelecs made riding possible again for me. He then cited some kind of assistive technology exception that allows folks with disabilities access to trails.
Here in MA, the regional MTB association has campaigned hard against eMTB access to natural surface trails on public land since 2013.
In 2015, on my first ebike ride in the state park I live next to, I asked a Ranger if they were allowed. "No motorized vehicles," he emphatically replied. I pointed at my bike and said, "This is a pedal assist bicycle!"
"No way! It looks just like a regular bicycle!" We laughed, but I told him my Lyme Disease sob story, and how pedelecs made riding possible again for me. He then cited some kind of assistive technology exception that allows folks with disabilities access to trails.
A few thousand trail miles later, I'm now known to many of the Rangers here, and have had zero issues with them, knock wood. I've signed up as a volunteer trail steward, taken officials and many friends on singletrack eMTB demo rides, and spoken to dozens of traditional MTBers.
Reactions I've experienced have been predominantly positive and/or indifferent to pedal assistance on trails, but the 3-Class ebike laws that have passed or are being proposed exclude ebikes from natural surfaces.
I think I'll need a doctor's note that my eMTB is a disability acommodation!
Here in MA, the regional MTB association has campaigned hard against eMTB access to natural surface trails on public land since 2013.
In 2015, on my first ebike ride in the state park I live next to, I asked a Ranger if they were allowed. "No motorized vehicles," he emphatically replied. I pointed at my bike and said, "This is a pedal assist bicycle!"
"No way! It looks just like a regular bicycle!" We laughed, but I told him my Lyme Disease sob story, and how pedelecs made riding possible again for me. He then cited some kind of assistive technology exception that allows folks with disabilities access to trails.
A few thousand trail miles later, I'm now known to many of the Rangers here, and have had zero issues with them, knock wood. I've signed up as a volunteer trail steward, taken officials and many friends on singletrack eMTB demo rides, and spoken to dozens of traditional MTBers.
Reactions I've experienced have been predominantly positive and/or indifferent to pedal assistance on trails, but the 3-Class ebike laws that have passed or are being proposed exclude ebikes from natural surfaces.
I think I'll need a doctor's note that my eMTB is a disability acommodation!
I was refusing to refer the their "Not in MY Back Yard" (NIMBY) sounding acronym, but since you spelled it out...The
The weird thing about the New England Mountain Bike Association is that they support human powered bicycles in wilderness a thousand miles from where they live (listed as in support of the sustainable trails coalition) but oppose eBikes on public land as some kind of menace (high closing speed arguments like we’re all flying jet interceptors).
Fortunately for me, they don’t live here in Phoenix and several very good trail networks are open to me - an older rider with arthritis.
I was refusing to refer the their "Not in MY Back Yard" (NIMBY) sounding acronym, but since you spelled it out...
I was a NEMBA member for a brief spell last decade, but went to a couple of their events and felt like I was "too recreational" a rider to relate to their ranks. When I got into eMTBs in 2015, I saw their posts/letters/"guidelines" railing against ebikes on natural surfaces. First one I found was dated 2013, and it's very brief, but ironically is the ONLY one of several that followed over the next 5 years to mention disability exceptions.
I truly appreciate their work on MTB trail development, maintenance and advocacy, but feel that their "proactive" endeavors to head eMTBs off at the trailhead are borderline ridiculous, if not outright paranoid. Last year they mailed extremely long-winded "dealer guidelines," which forewarned, "Class 1 e-bikes can go 20 MPH even up hills," among many other extreme examples. They admonished eMTB sellers "...to provide their customers with written material detailing where eMTBs can be ridden." Here in MA, there are only a few such places listed in their letter.
I think NEMBA is missing a golden opportunity to expand their membership, and I feel that they're going to find themselves on the wrong side of history in 5-10 years' time (a la MAGA). Hell, by then many of them will be old enough to actually need assistance in order to keep riding trails, too!
I read their dealer guidelines; it’s quite a screed. Counterpoint; I bought my eBike for commuting; the long travel suspension reduces shock on my back / SI joint; riding my road bike or Honda scooter is too painful to do every day.
Being able to ride on the trail is just a big plus. Their attempt to dissuade / bully dealers is just crazy.
The racer attitude explains a lot; they may be projecting their boy-racer trail behavior onto others.
They have corrupted a simple outdoor activity into an elitist d*ck-measuring contest and wonder why the hikers (to them the variable part of the trail) get upset. God forbid that one of those hikers buys an eBike and starts using ‘their’ trails.
The first time I saw an emtb was at Llandegla (trail centre in Wales). My mates and I had just toiled up the long zig-zag hill on the black section and were having a breather at the top. This guy came hurtling up the hill and we all were amazed and envious at his fitness. (You probably know what's coming). My first question once I realised it was an emtb was "Do you need a doctor's note for that?" He thought I was serious and said "No mate, anyone can buy them!".....................
I think I'll need a doctor's note that my eMTB is a disability acommodation!
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On a side note, I've never once been harassed by other MTBers but been told to 'get over' and 'slow down' by equestrians when I was already at a complete stop and literally could not move off the trail any further without stepping into the weeds. But hey let's be real, horses don't raise any public safety concerns, leave waste behind, tear up the trails, or allow you to ride long distances...
I think you are right , the ebike allows those with a jackass tendency to become annoying , these people were simply unable to do that on a pedal bike , just like motorcyclists ,there is always the few making too much noise spinning the wheel and being a hooligan etc . Power can corruptIt feels like flashback to the era when snowboards were not allowed to be used on designated ski slopes.
This too shall pass, and sooner the better.
I would like to remind to all of us emtb riders - riding upward on a downward riding trail section is considered a jackass act !!! I know its fun but don't do it - it will just make us look worse.
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