westcoastmtbr
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And how does it compare to the Levo for ride quality? Did you say s4 sizing to Levo? thanks and post more photos
Dji avinox- Amflow
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Compared to Levo SL2 S4, my Amflow in L has the same measured horzontal Top Tube. The Levo SL2 is more plush
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Amflow
Hey there!Hay folks new here but not to DJI.
This is one of my first posts for those who will notice but it's relevent as I have been around DJI since 2012.
For some context I have flown drones and even actually used to beta test for DJI and helped run their social groups in the early days. However this don't make me a "fanboy" and frankly there is a lot of bad I can and will say.
I'm just looking to get into EMTB and I was following the DJI Avinox launch really closely, in fact we thought it was was a new drone from the early leaks.
Anyhow it's going to be interesting to see how DJI get on however I come with some warnings. Initially I expected DJIs behavor to be outside the norm of the EMTB industry around service and support however having spent the week reading about Bosch and Shimano's games on parts and support and service actually I think DJI will fit right in.
However the warnings should be said nonetheless.
DJI as a company model them selves on Apple and over the years have transioned from being a components company to one that now sells solutions.
In the early days DJI's customer support was horrific as was their product reliability however today they are right up there with the likes of Apple and Sony for build quality but they still have some pretty bad practices.
For starters you wont get parts from DJI period. They do not list or sell spares and they refuses to sell parts to comsumers directly. They keep a very tight control on their dealers and only official service centers can get parts. They even make it hard to get replacement accessories at times. Things that should be available like fixings or antennas ect.
DJI also have a very fast development cycle and while it's slower today than in the past as they used to release new models every 6 months they are renowned for not supporting 1st/last gen products in the longer term. There are DJI drones you can't buy consumables for such as batteries for models that are only a few years old.
DJIs history is litterd with products that had some bad issues that were never fixed or promises that were never kept.
Also DJI don't admit to makimg mistakes or errors, release notes and software updates are often lacking any real detail and DJI are widly known for ignoring critical issues untill it really grabs media attention. They never admit to a fault even when it's a serious issue such as drones falling from the sky due to badly written firmware and when they do release updates they simply say "fixed some known bugs"
With regards to the new fray into ebikes this is actually right up their street technically however expect to see some typical behavor from them.
DJI usually start with a high end
product at the top of the market that's usually very feature rich but expensive.
DJI then use the income from sales of this from early adopters to fund the initial development and then a little later down the line release a more budget friendly model with 90% of the main features of the first one. This second product also often resolves the issues that inevitably come to light after the initial product release and early adopters are often left stranded.
DJIs products today are much more reliable than in the past however they often make silly mistakes or design choices that later come back to haunt them or the user.
There is a hell of a lot more I could say but that's just a insight to someone who has been around them very closely and used their products for years. They will come in with a bang and expect them to be splashing the cash to KOls and the media to get the message out. Also expect them to be offering people decent affiate income on bike sales as well to "encourage" positive reviews.
DJI are an apex predator in the industries they are in and when they join a new one they start to aim to take total dominance, they did it with drones, they have now basically done it with action cameras and it seems this is next.
What I will say is don't expect DJI to come in and shake things up with regards to how Bosch and others are behaving and in fact id go as far as to say they will be worse.
Super interesting times though.
Mad.
Thank you for your support and engagement with Amflow. We value your feedback and are here to address your concerns:
1. Maintenance and Repair Parts:
At Amflow, we understand the importance of keeping your equipment in optimal condition. Should you require any repairs or replacements, including for critical components like the drive system, frame, or wheels, you can rely on our extensive network of authorized dealers or our dedicated customer service team for genuine Amflow and DJI parts. For third-party components such as transmission and suspension, we are equally committed to providing you with the necessary support to ensure a seamless repair process.
Additionally, Amflow provides official maintenance tutorials and videos to make it easier and more convenient for users to perform routine vehicle maintenance, ensuring that you can keep your ride in top shape with confidence.
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Thank you once again for your confidence in us.
Warmest regards,
Amflow
I can confirm, that I asked Amflow support for special chain ring removal tool (I wanted to swat 34T to 32T T-Type). Was replied within one day with price (14 EUR shipping incl.) and got it three days after payment to my office by UPS. Good job! Thanks.
I am 6'2 186cm and the XL is a great fit, i used to ride a Canyon Spectral in L.
Positives:
- The power from the motor is splendid.
- Weight is nice and frame feels nimble
- Nice high bars as standard
- Can fit full size water bottle
- fast charging and heaps of distance from 800wh battery
- Motor is very quiet
- No rattles or noises from frame or chain when pedaling
- Felt very stable and planted on the downhill sections
Negatives:
- KS Dropper post is not great (could be cable routing)
- M5 brakes feel like they need bedding-in or improvement
- Single screw on upper side of battery tube came loose and lost on trail. (may explain dropper)
- Hand grip rubber is super stiff, I will upgrade
- At one point the motor did feel like it got stiff, but I stopped and changed modes and it seemed to rectify itself. I will need to keep an eye on this. Especially as a similar event was mentioned by another Amflow owner in a previous post.
My complaints mainly come from the non-DJI branded accessories which can all be overcome with upgrades.
However - overall I am very happy with this bike and hope to ride it alot.
Positives:
- The power from the motor is splendid.
- Weight is nice and frame feels nimble
- Nice high bars as standard
- Can fit full size water bottle
- fast charging and heaps of distance from 800wh battery
- Motor is very quiet
- No rattles or noises from frame or chain when pedaling
- Felt very stable and planted on the downhill sections
Negatives:
- KS Dropper post is not great (could be cable routing)
- M5 brakes feel like they need bedding-in or improvement
- Single screw on upper side of battery tube came loose and lost on trail. (may explain dropper)
- Hand grip rubber is super stiff, I will upgrade
- At one point the motor did feel like it got stiff, but I stopped and changed modes and it seemed to rectify itself. I will need to keep an eye on this. Especially as a similar event was mentioned by another Amflow owner in a previous post.
My complaints mainly come from the non-DJI branded accessories which can all be overcome with upgrades.
However - overall I am very happy with this bike and hope to ride it alot.
I see the loam wolf review of the amflow seems to think that the frame is very flexy when ridden hard.
Is this a trait that any owners on here have noticed?
theloamwolf.com
Is this a trait that any owners on here have noticed?
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Yes they are not the only ones that mentioned it, this is a light trail plastic bike.
Remember that loam team are aggressive riders so if you aren't like jump pushing hard, jump, drop you would be fine.
It just cannot compare to an enduro one or even a Levo or a Vala in terms of solidity.
Remember that loam team are aggressive riders so if you aren't like jump pushing hard, jump, drop you would be fine.
It just cannot compare to an enduro one or even a Levo or a Vala in terms of solidity.
Astro66
Active member
Most owners won't have the skill set or risk appetite to push the bike as hard as the Loam Wolf Team. So I doubt you'll see reports in here about the frame effecting rideability, other than people saying it's light and nimble.
But it has been reported by other professional testers.
This bike is designed to do technical uphill really fast. And all reports say it does that better than any other EMTB. The compromise is the technical downhill.
With an EMTB, I prefer to attack uphills really aggressively, rather than downhill, because the risks are much lower. So it really comes down to your riding preferences, as to whether this is the best EMTB for your riding.
James_MTB
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Wow, this is the first time I've heard someone saying they prefer the uphill. Each to their own
Mentioned frame flex is something what most of users will never notice. I have Amflow for 5 weeks, 450km and 16000 vm on the clock. Never noticed any flex. I am 78kg kitted. I can ride pretty gnarly/chunky stuff, but not race style, or fast enough to feel frame flex. Writing this, because some posts/reviews sounds like Amflow frame is jelly soft, its not true! There are some latest reviews on youtube, full of confusing bullshits out of elementary physics/physiology. These guys are trying to bring "something new" because all serious and important was already said, so their very late reviews would get very little views. Iam regular user, had a lot of different bikes and can tell you that Amflow is outstanding not just because of motor power.
Astro66
Active member
Been EMTBing for about 5 years. I am one of the fastest in my group. But I have not had a single injury. That's because I'm really quick on the climbs, and just pace myself on the downhill.
At nearly 60. You have to find adrenalin rushes that won't put you in the hospital. You just don't heal like you used to.
The mental puzzle that is solving a technical climb, I find is super rewarding. But still has enough risk to get the juices flowing.
The power of the Amflow will really add to the excitement of technical climbing, IMO.
westcoastmtbr
Active member
Gen 1 of any bike is going to come with a host of issues to be addressed in Gen 2. Ever wonder why you wait a year or two to buy a new model of a car? So yes, this bike with have issue that will go far beyond anything that a company can simulate in the field. Single screw holding a battery, or intermittent lock ups should be considered a real thing that will be address with Gen 2 or 3. Personally, I think that any new player in the business will learn some real lessons that they can either take to the bank of knowledge or just sell the tech to another big player who has a history of bike frame excellence, and an established dealer network such as a Santa Cruz. In speaking with my lbs, they are all curious about the new Amflow brand, but have commented about how Bosch motor return rates are in the low percentages, and this is very key to their success. They simply cannot have a brand with a high return rate as this does cost everyone in the long run. They also commented just how many mail order brands have shown up with clueless owners wondering why the battery light is blinking for example. We simply cannot overestimate how clueless the average consumer base can be when it comes to technical issues. This includes a friend who left his Levo plugged in for a month only to have it fry during a storm. I see guys towing their friends with a Levo up a hill wondering why their motor suddenly is making noises, or a host of other issues yet to be exposed. I've always thought the EMTB would be one of the most difficult products to support long term. The very nature of the punishment of the trail, weather, and technology paced into a fast moving object that can smash into things that push the limits. Just cruise the post from say the YT Decoy, or even Canyon with battery issues. Watch a video to figure out if your battery is at risk of exploding on your own. Sorry, just stop by my lbs and let them deal with it. This is about to get interesting. Thank you to Gen users for field testing the Amflow. We will all benefit from your exposure. In the mean time, I'll drop by my lbs as I did on Tuesday and exercise my warranty if needed. Heck, they even offer a loaner Levo.
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New bike day.
Or rather it would be if I wasn’t Xmas shopping!
Or rather it would be if I wasn’t Xmas shopping!
To change to the AXS, do you only need to buy the derailleur and the chain, or do you also need to change the cassette and chainring?
By the way, does anyone know when it will be sold in other countries? I'm from Spain and I don't see any information about when it will arrive or what stores.
Depends whether you are talking about just the original SRAM AXS or SRAM Transmission (T Type) . The original uses an UDH hanger and normal 12 Speed SRAM Cassette so you just need an AXS Mech and controller. Transmission fits directly onto the chainstay with no hanger and is a complete system comprising mech, Pod, cassette, chain and chainring.......all specific to Transmission.
Officially (according to sram) that is true, unofficially an axs t type derailleur can work just fine with a regular shimano, sram or other 12 speed cassette and chain. I use a t type derailleur with a garbaruk 12 speed cassette mounted on a microspline hub using a shimano chain, all on a trek fuel exe.
Obviously there are no guarantees it will work with whatever combo of frame, cassette, hub and chain you might try, but there are plenty of people running a t type derailuer on non t type cassettes, chains, chain rings etc with no obvious issues.
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Yep, that makes sense but you won’t be achieving all the benefits that T-Type can provide.
So you’re effectively running a really expensive rear mech without the benefit!
I wanted to try the t type version, but in the end if it "works" well you have to change the entire groupset, it's almost better to wait for the cassette to wear out and then decide to take the leap or not.
It's a shame not to be able to have an axs as standard on the "basic" model.
It's a shame not to be able to have an axs as standard on the "basic" model.
Did you get a rough cost?
Not yet.
That’s not true. Based on my research, DJI’s data storage is located in the U.S. Moreover, if you’re based in the U.S., your flight logs have not been synced to their server for several months now. It’s also common knowledge that you can fly their drones without an internet connection—how could they “capture” your data if your drone is offline？Hay folks new here but not to DJI.
This is one of my first posts for those who will notice but it's relevent as I have been around DJI since 2012.
For some context I have flown drones and even actually used to beta test for DJI and helped run their social groups in the early days. However this don't make me a "fanboy" and frankly there is a lot of bad I can and will say.
I'm just looking to get into EMTB and I was following the DJI Avinox launch really closely, in fact we thought it was was a new drone from the early leaks
Anyhow it's going to be interesting to see how DJI get on however I come with some warnings. Initially I expected DJIs behavor to be outside the norm of the EMTB industry around service and support however having spent the week reading about Bosch and Shimano's games on parts and support and service actually I think DJI will fit right in.
However the warnings should be said nonetheless.
DJI as a company model them selves on Apple and over the years have transioned from being a components company to one that now sells solutions.
In the early days DJI's customer support was horrific as was their product reliability however today they are right up there with the likes of Apple and Sony for build quality but they still have some pretty bad practices.
For starters you wont get parts from DJI period. They do not list or sell spares and they refuses to sell parts to comsumers directly. They keep a very tight control on their dealers and only official service centers can get parts. They even make it hard to get replacement accessories at times. Things that should be available like fixings or antennas ect.
DJI also have a very fast development cycle and while it's slower today than in the past as they used to release new models every 6 months they are renowned for not supporting 1st/last gen products in the longer term. There are DJI drones you can't buy consumables for such as batteries for models that are only a few years old.
DJIs history is litterd with products that had some bad issues that were never fixed or promises that were never kept.
Also DJI don't admit to makimg mistakes or errors, release notes and software updates are often lacking any real detail and DJI are widly known for ignoring critical issues untill it really grabs media attention. They never admit to a fault even when it's a serious issue such as drones falling from the sky due to badly written firmware and when they do release updates they simply say "fixed some known bugs"
With regards to the new fray into ebikes this is actually right up their street technically however expect to see some typical behavor from them.
DJI usually start with a high end
product at the top of the market that's usually very feature rich but expensive.
DJI then use the income from sales of this from early adopters to fund the initial development and then a little later down the line release a more budget friendly model with 90% of the main features of the first one. This second product also often resolves the issues that inevitably come to light after the initial product release and early adopters are often left stranded.
DJIs products today are much more reliable than in the past however they often make silly mistakes or design choices that later come back to haunt them or the user.
There is a hell of a lot more I could say but that's just a insight to someone who has been around them very closely and used their products for years. They will come in with a bang and expect them to be splashing the cash to KOls and the media to get the message out. Also expect them to be offering people decent affiate income on bike sales as well to "encourage" positive reviews.
DJI are an apex predator in the industries they are in and when they join a new one they start to aim to take total dominance, they did it with drones, they have now basically done it with action cameras and it seems this is next.
What I will say is don't expect DJI to come in and shake things up with regards to how Bosch and others are behaving and in fact id go as far as to say they will be worse.
Super interesting times though.
Mad.
Motohawk75
Active member
What im interested in is what they are planning to do with the obvious illegal speed limit they are allowing customers to achieve with this system ?
There are countless / most new owners reporting there bikes have been handed over with either no speed limiter or incorrect region selected allowing the bike to give assistance over the stated country law.
They have provided the bike to the customer allowing the option to change the limit and providing the ability to ride it illegally.
So how long before someone is involved in an accident or incident that ends up in hospital or court or worst…..
Personally i don’t care I hate the uk speed limit but it’s the law and if they don’t get it sorted I can see that system being banned for obvious reasons ( Mr Bosch and Shimano etc will not appreciate DJI taking all the glory and fundamentally cheating to beat them by braking the rules and law )
There are countless / most new owners reporting there bikes have been handed over with either no speed limiter or incorrect region selected allowing the bike to give assistance over the stated country law.
They have provided the bike to the customer allowing the option to change the limit and providing the ability to ride it illegally.
So how long before someone is involved in an accident or incident that ends up in hospital or court or worst…..
Personally i don’t care I hate the uk speed limit but it’s the law and if they don’t get it sorted I can see that system being banned for obvious reasons ( Mr Bosch and Shimano etc will not appreciate DJI taking all the glory and fundamentally cheating to beat them by braking the rules and law )
"Personally I don'y care"!
You clearly do.
May I suggest, you worry about more important things.
Astro66
Active member
Ummm .......... Maybe take a wander to the derestriction threads.
My brand new Shimano EP600 is certainly not restricted to 25kph. Nor is my Bafang BBS02.
Motohawk75
Active member
Your not getting pal
Obviously you can do what you want to a bike once you have bought it if your not bothered about the law or your warranty and i absolutely have no problem with that but that’s not the issue here , the law and legislation on motor speed and output is black and white for the manufacturers and if they get caught braking that by supplying the bikes not complying they will get stopped completely.
You just cant do that.
There was a famous case going back a few years regarding KTM where they supplied a full power 125 to a young lad who should have been restricted to 12 BHP according to his country law he crashed the bike and died and KTM were taken to court and found guilty.
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