Bosch Smart System: auto mode.

[Mikerb]

Anyone using the auto mode?

 

[Bomble]

Auto mode?

 

[irie]

Bosch eBike Systems presents innovations for model year 2023

Safer and more carefree riding: New products and features for even more riding enjoyment, with the smart system

www.bosch-presse.de

Another new feature: Auto mode – not just for eCargo bikes, but for all eBikes with the smart system. In this riding mode, the support provided by the drive is automatically adapted to the environmental conditions, for example if there are headwinds or on uphill gradients, without eBikers having to exert more effort or switch riding modes.

 

[Mikerb]

I had not heard of it either until I saw a video by "The Loam Wolf" with a guy from Bosch explaining the Auto mode. It is a mode option that can only be selected using the Bosch Diagnostic software...so by a Bosch dealer/LBS. His explanation was that it covers the complete range of power delivery from Eco to Turbo and instead of using crank torque/cadence as the primary decider on how much power it delivers at any time, its primary aim is to sustain whatever speed the bike is being propelled at! Sounds a bit weird to me but I am curious if anyone has tried it. I assume the total number of modes is still 4 but dont know what mode it replaces.

 

[Bomble]

That does sound weird, I had my Whyte plugged in yesterday and they never said anything or I would have tried it

 

[irie]

I had not heard of it either until I saw a video by "The Loam Wolf" with a guy from Bosch explaining the Auto mode. It is a mode option that can only be selected using the Bosch Diagnostic software...so by a Bosch dealer/LBS. His explanation was that it covers the complete range of power delivery from Eco to Turbo and instead of using crank torque/cadence as the primary decider on how much power it delivers at any time, its primary aim is to sustain whatever speed the bike is being propelled at! Sounds a bit weird to me but I am curious if anyone has tried it. I assume the total number of modes is still 4 but dont know what mode it replaces.

At a guess what it does is something like continuously recording load with a model which most heavily weights the latest readings then as load increases dynamically increase assistance instead of the rider having to switch to a higher level of assistance. IYSWIM.

 

[Bomble]

Any updates on this, anyone tried it?

 

[BikeawaySpain]

Hi, I tried it, it is like turbo going uphill, so a lot of support, and it gets "normal" on straight roads, but too much for me. So i only use Auto when going on steep hills, and use tour or tour+ for other situations.

 

[Mikerb]

Hi, I tried it, it is like turbo going uphill, so a lot of support, and it gets "normal" on straight roads, but too much for me. So i only use Auto when going on steep hills, and use tour or tour+ for other situations.

so what mode did it replace??

 

[BikeawaySpain]

so what mode did it replace??

None, you can install 4 modes via your dealer, and basically select the modes that you like.

 

[Mikerb]

Yes I know that so which mode did you forego to enable auto to be added? I would deselect ECO

 

[tresorier21000]

Yes I know that so which mode did you forego to enable auto to be added? I would deselect ECO

Auto remplace Tour+ et aucun autre.

 

[russellb]

Anyone using the auto mode?

I just got my bike, did the latest software update but don't see AUTO mode. Anyone know how to get it ?

 

[BikeawaySpain]

You can only get AUTO via update in dealer-shop. They use special Bosch software to allow you to select the different modes.

For me, I decided to not use "Turbo" anymore as AUTO is strong enough. I now have:
ECO
TOUR
TOUR+
AUTO

I mainly use the bike for trekking, so want to get long mileages on the battery, hence trying out the ECO, TOUR or TOUR+ Modes to find out what works for me. I only use AUTO if there is an extreme steep hill, but normally TOUR+ is good enough for steep hills.

 

[russellb]

You can only get AUTO via update in dealer-shop. They use special Bosch software to allow you to select the different modes.

For me, I decided to not use "Turbo" anymore as AUTO is strong enough. I now have:
ECO
TOUR
TOUR+
AUTO

I mainly use the bike for trekking, so want to get long mileages on the battery, hence trying out the ECO, TOUR or TOUR+ Modes to find out what works for me. I only use AUTO if there is an extreme steep hill, but normally TOUR+ is good enough for steep hills.

wow fail Bosch !
release a new smart system, hype up that software is over the air. then release a feature that you have to go back to the dealer to update ????
Just drove 2 hours to pickup the bike expecting that an over the air update would give e me Auto mode. Now have to do another 2 hours driving to go back to dealer

 

[BikeawaySpain]

Yeah, Bosch is very much protecting their proprietary software. I also find it strange that we cannot select the desired modes ourselves via the Flow App. Luckiky i live 5min bike ride from dealer. But even dealers need some help, so i helped them to find the configuration screen to select the modes. It takes only 2min to update, but what a hassle to get it done. Smart does not always mean convenient, it seems.

 

[tresorier21000]

You can only get AUTO via update in dealer-shop. They use special Bosch software to allow you to select the different modes.

For me, I decided to not use "Turbo" anymore as AUTO is strong enough. I now have:
ECO
TOUR
TOUR+
AUTO

I mainly use the bike for trekking, so want to get long mileages on the battery, hence trying out the ECO, TOUR or TOUR+ Modes to find out what works for me. I only use AUTO if there is an extreme steep hill, but normally TOUR+ is good enough for steep hills.

Super!
Das interessiert mich sehr. Können Sie mir ein Foto des Bildschirms mit diesen verschiedenen Modi machen.
Mein Händler ist skeptisch!

 

[BikeawaySpain]

Interesting dealer
See attached!

Super!
Das interessiert mich sehr. Können Sie mir ein Foto des Bildschirms mit diesen verschiedenen Modi machen.
Mein Händler ist skeptisch!

 

[tresorier21000]

Interesting dealer
See attached!


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Vielen Dank !

 

[tresorier21000]

Interesting dealer
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Ich habe eine weitere Frage.
Gibt es eine bestimmte Reihenfolge, die man bei der Auswahl der Modi einhalten muss?
z. B. Tour+, Tour, eMTB, Auto.
Es geht mir vor allem darum zu wissen, wie sich die Farbdarstellung der Led verhält.
Vielen Dank für Ihre Hilfe.

 

[BikeawaySpain]

Ich habe eine weitere Frage.
Gibt es eine bestimmte Reihenfolge, die man bei der Auswahl der Modi einhalten muss?
z. B. Tour+, Tour, eMTB, Auto.
Es geht mir vor allem darum zu wissen, wie sich die Farbdarstellung der Led verhält.
Vielen Dank für Ihre Hilfe.

Oh sorry, I cannot recall completely. We selected the Modes at the dealer shop (in Bosch dealer software called "Bosch Diagnostic Tool 3", they need to go to section "configuration" in the software), then, after upload, the Modes appeared in Kiox 300 automatically in a logic way (from ECO, TOUR till stronger modes). It seems the software creates a logic list of the Modes.

 

[tresorier21000]

Oh sorry, I cannot recall completely. We selected the Modes at the dealer shop (in Bosch dealer software called "Bosch Diagnostic Tool 3", they need to go to section "configuration" in the software), then, after upload, the Modes appeared in Kiox 300 automatically in a logic way (from ECO, TOUR till stronger modes). It seems the software creates a logic list of the Modes.

Danke, es war nett, dass Sie so schnell geantwortet haben. Ich werde das mit meinem Händler klären.
Viel Spaß beim Fahren mit Ihrem ebike.

 

[Orb]

Can anyone tell me if my bike is not upgradeable to the "Auto" mode? My local dealer is telling me that I don't have a Smart system, and therefore can't get the Kiox updated. If this is the case, is it possible to upgrade the hardware I have to get that update?

Thanks.

Bike is a 2022 Mondraker Crafty SE Mondraker Crafty SE

 

[tresorier21000]

Can anyone tell me if my bike is not upgradeable to the "Auto" mode? My local dealer is telling me that I don't have a Smart system, and therefore can't get the Kiox updated. If this is the case, is it possible to upgrade the hardware I have to get that update?

Thanks.

Bike is a 2022 Mondraker Crafty SE Mondraker Crafty SE

Bikes that do not have the smart system cannot benefit from the auto mode.
Your bike, although recent, is of an older generation.

 

[Gilbo]

What’s the mode like to use and does it effect range of battery.

 

[russellb]

What’s the mode like to use and does it effect range of battery.

I pretty much only use Auto now. Only seems to use an extra few km range, not much. Overall a nicer mode, I find im not having to switch modes, Auto seems to sense pretty well whats needed.

 

[Arminius]

Hi,
I did not use Turbo and also replaced it by Auto when having the bike at the dealer. You have to decide which mode you drop for getting Auto or vice versa. Seems it exchanges the mode with the position of the mode that is removed. I now have Auto in top position.
I go a lot in Eco and Tour+. In my opinion Auto is nice and gives more/better support, sometimes a little to much as reaching quickly the limiter.

 

[Signman1987]

Anyone using the auto mode?

Just had this installed on my Scott Patron last weekend in place of EMTB. Not ridden yet but will report back when I have.For what its worth after 4 e-bikes I think that Tour+ is a complete waste of time. Its battery saving is negligible and if riding with friends on the flat it is impossible to keep up without moving up to EMTB which somehow defeats the object! Had my dealer switch it back to just Tour and much better. looking forward to the Auto mode this weekend.

 

[Mikerb]

I am quite happy with EMTB and apart from short bursts of Turbo that is the only mode I use.
I have just run the Flow App and updated the LED Remote and Motor to 5.(whatever) . That took 2 attempts for some reason but I powered down my phone and rebooted, deleted the flow app and Flow pairing..........so started from scratch and everything seemed to work properly then.............it looked like Flow froze on the first attempt and I could not get rid of it other than deleting the app and reloading it. ANYWAY............I now have the a bility to tune all of the modes so just as an experiment I decided to turn them all up to 5 to see what difference that makes. It says it will use more battery but I never get below 30% as it is so who cares!!

 

[stumo]

So what's the difference between emtb and auto?