Big battery explosion inside house

[Tooks]

Of course we have a National Grid but it is nowhere near the sort of capacity we would need to enable the charging of more and more EVs and heat pumps. Enlargeing it is going to be hugely expensive and destructive. What you forget is that in order to deliver electricity, a physical circuit of sufficient capacity is permanently required from generation sources to every single point of consumption. It is a hugely expensive way to distribute energy. It is already the case that if most folk had EVs and most got home from work and plugged in their EVS at 6 or 7 pm, the entire estate of houses would suffer a blackout.......or all those chargers would only get a very low charge rate. More likely is that EV charging would not be enabled until after midnight and cut off before 7am.

Right now, and in the theoretical scenario you describe, maybe.

But, that’s catastrophising a little I think, as that’s not actually the situation and the link I posted from National Grid demonstrates how they’re planning for it.

That’s before we get to things like ‘vehicle to grid’ where millions of EVs can actually support the grid at peak demand, it’s real and it can happen.

Worse case scenario, even if vehicles could only charge at home between midnight and 0630, that’s still 150 miles+ of range for each and every car plugged in. That’s 4 or 5 days mileage for your average driver here in the UK. If you need more, there will be other options.

Putting in place the infrastructure to support fossil fuel use has been enormously expensive as well, and continues to be so. As for destructive, the current setup is about as destructive as it gets, so no contest really.

Anyway, I don’t post this stuff for an argument, it’s an EMTB forum, mine and yours hobby presumably, and it’s also far away from a dodgy ebike battery going up in flames.

 

[irie]

Right now, and in the theoretical scenario you describe, maybe.

But, that’s catastrophising a little I think, as that’s not actually the situation and the link I posted from National Grid demonstrates how they’re planning for it.

That’s before we get to things like ‘vehicle to grid’ where millions of EVs can actually support the grid at peak demand, it’s real and it can happen.

Worse case scenario, even if vehicles could only charge at home between midnight and 0630, that’s still 150 miles+ of range for each and every car plugged in. That’s 4 or 5 days mileage for your average driver here in the UK. If you need more, there will be other options.

Putting in place the infrastructure to support fossil fuel use has been enormously expensive as well, and continues to be so. As for destructive, the current setup is about as destructive as it gets, so no contest really.

Anyway, I don’t post this stuff for an argument, it’s an EMTB forum, mine and yours hobby presumably, and it’s also far away from a dodgy ebike battery going up in flames.

Anyway, I don’t post this stuff for an argument, it’s an EMTB forum, mine and yours hobby presumably, and it’s also far away from a dodgy ebike battery going up in flames.

If you don't want an argument then you should refrain from posting La-La Land* stuff like this. Thanks.

* Also known as 'cloud-cuckoo-land'.

 

[Tooks]

If you don't want an argument then you should refrain from posting La-La Land* stuff like this. Thanks.

* Also known as 'cloud-cuckoo-land'.

I’ve been very careful to stick to just addressing points raised, you as usual just seem keen to ‘play the man’ at the earliest opportunity.

I’ve driven ICE vehicles for nearly 30 years, longer if you count tractors on the farm, and EVs of some sort or another for over 10. I have some experience in both camps, and can’t really see why EVs are considered part of the problem rather than a lower lifetime impact part of the solution nor how ‘carrying on and doing nothing’ helps the situation any.

 

[Arminius]

Mankind can work on CO2 reductions but I think money, i.e. financial damages from natural catastrophes that soon will not be possible to be covered by insurers or state funds, will be the greater issue to deal with. Findings for Europe:

Source: Economic losses from weather- and climate-related extremes in Europe
„Between 1980 and 2023, climate-related extremes amounted to an estimated EUR 738 billion (2023 prices) in the EU. Hydrological hazards (floods) account for 44% and meteorological hazards (storms, including lightning and hail) for almost 29% of the total. For the climatological hazards, heat waves cause almost 19% of the total losses (but are responsible for 95% of the fatalities) while the remaining 8% are caused by droughts, forest fires and cold waves together.

Relatively few events are responsible for most of the economic losses: 5% of climate-related events with the biggest losses are responsible for 61% of losses, and 1% of the events cause 28% of losses. However, 66% of events with the smallest losses recorded total only 5% of the losses (calculations based on the original dataset). The total losses vary significantly from year to year. This interannual variability is due to the development of assets in vulnerable areas and potential reporting bias over timeand because most types of weather- and climate-related extremes across the world have become more severe and frequent as a result of human-caused climate change.

The average annual (constant 2023 EUR prices) economic losses were around EUR 8.5 billion in 1980-1989, 14.0 billion in 1990-1999, 15.8 billion in 2000-2009, 17.8 billion in 2010-2019 and 44.5 billion for the period 2020-2023. A statistical analysis of a 30-year moving average reveals that economic losses increased over time. A linear trendline through these 30-year averages represent a 53% increase from 2009 to 2023, or 2.9% per year.

The five years with highest annual values are:

• 2021 (EUR 63.0 billion);
• 2022 (56.0 billion);
• 2002 (45.7 billion);
• 2023 (43.9 billion);
• 1999 (36.7 billion).

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change predicts that climate-related extreme events will become more frequent and severe around the world. This affects multiple sectors and causes systemic failures across Europe, creating greater economic losses.“

 

[irie]

most types of weather- and climate-related extremes across the world have become more severe and frequent as a result of human-caused climate change

Very glib and credible sounding that human-caused climate change is responsible for these climate extremes ... until the lack of supporting scientific evidence becomes apparent.

 

[RustyMTB]

Can you ladies take this gammony shite to Pistonheads where it belongs? This is supposed to be a mountain bike forum.

 

[Arminius]

E (!] -Mountainbike forum!

Amazing how a thread can go that quick from exploded bike battery to save the planet theories.

 

[irie]

E (!] -Mountainbike forum!

Amazing how a thread can go that quick from exploded bike battery to save the planet theories.

How this occurred is completely unexplainable. Maybe.

 

[Mikerb]

Bottom line for us was money. The new Toyota hybrid has saved us between $500-$600 per month. We were both shocked and likely won’t need to add fuel till late January.

Two more EV’s were added to our street this month. There are 5 Tesla’s and two other hybrid’s. We decided to wait a few years before we committed to an EV.

But power may not be a problem in this area. A new massive hydro dam is going into production next year and two more for the future. A lot of our power is sold to the U.S. imo we have/get too much water here …but what do I know?

Generation is not the problem. It is distribution that is the biggest issue with supply of electricity. National grids were designed on the basis of a small number of high capacity power plants and then a distribution network with transformers. That design now made far more complex having to carry multiple small gen inputs from solar fields and wind farms. Centralised monitoring and control and distribution are the big problems and incur huge costs.

 

[Mikerb]

Yes the bigger picture seems unrelated to our hobby BUT our hobby is currently intrinsically linked to the availability of lithium battery technology at a tenable cost. So I started out thinking what happens for us .......and incidentally many other products using the same technology .......when demand outstrips supply.

The discussion is probably best left there.

 

[Arminius]

The discussion is probably best left there.

Yepp. Let‘s keep going out biking, enjoy nature, respect nature.

 

[ttocs]

I got another smoke detector that I mounted directly above where I store and charge my bike.

 

[jackamo]

Jezzus I'm so bored of the kneejerk reactions to ebike battery fires.

I'll keep it simple.
I've yet to hear of any brand ebike battery catch fire ( please prove me wrong if you actually have proof )
The only ones that catch fire are cheap Chinese imports with a none known brand name.. the same goes for the chargers or bikes that have kits fitted by drug dealer/ phone snatchers / food delivery types.

If you don't know the name , don't buy it .

 

[Tooks]

Yes the bigger picture seems unrelated to our hobby BUT our hobby is currently intrinsically linked to the availability of lithium battery technology at a tenable cost. So I started out thinking what happens for us .......and incidentally many other products using the same technology .......when demand outstrips supply.

The discussion is probably best left there.

Yes, our hobby is linked to the raw material prices of lots of things, along with energy and labour costs.

Lithium battery prices are actually falling despite demand increasing, all sorts of things have gone cordless these days.

Battery price per kwh 2024 | Statista

The cost of lithium-ion batteries per kWh decreased by 14 percent between 2022 and 2023. Lithium-ion battery price was about 139 U.S. dollars per kWh in 2023.

www.statista.com

A typical medium sized EV car has at least the equivalent of 70 700Wh e-bike batteries, and as I mentioned earlier in the thread they can be readily recycled.

An e-bike costs way more than the sum of its parts anyway, so I don’t see it affecting pricing unduly just yet.

 

[Stihldog]

I’m getting emotional just knowing that everyone cares. That fence might need some repairs though.