Altering steering angle (Rise)

[Mteam]

I can only assume from the answers you’re giving that you have no idea on the inners of the head tube ?

Nobody hear fitted or swapped out a fork ?

Loads of people will have fitted or swapped out a fork. It doesn't need ta have been on a rise to be useful info.

Swapping to a fork with 10mm less axle to crown height (regardless of the forks overall amount of travel) will steepen your head angle (and seat angle,and other measurements will also change ,IE reach etc) by about 0.5 degree.

The axle to crown measurement is not the same for all forks of the same travel, so fox 36 150mm travel forks may have a longer or shorter axle to crown measurement than say mantiou 150mm forks - I have no idea whether they really do, but they could have.

So if you want to keep the same travel but have a steeper head angle find a brand of forks with a shorter axle to crown measurement.

But just be aware you're really swimming against the tide by wanting a steeper head angle,most people want it slacker. There is nothing extreme about the geo of the rise, my opinion is that you will quickly get used to it how it is, and it will become normal. Of course it's not as steep in the head angle as a cross country race bike ,so if that what you want maybe a 10mm shorter axle to crown will get you there.

 

[Bob Orbea Rise]

It will indeed but will also induce more pedal strikes and cost WAY more than a headset

It does need to be on a rise as that’s the bike in fitting a headset to? Surely

Coming off the couch and seeing all this talk of slack steering was defo a concern for me. As said earlier I’m aware this is not the fashion.

Put it this way, I’ve changed the sadle, the bars, changed pedals twice, got the power delivery how I want it. Backed off the rebound damping, altered the compression and the ride from stock, and changed the wheels. I doubt very much anything on that list is the same as anyone else’s.

….and so it is with head angle. Fashion is not the same for everyone and there’s no reason my choices have to be the same as yours. Accept it deal with it and move on. Some bikes you only have to look at and see the ridiculous amount of trail they have.

But if people buy it they’ll keep making it. Cant knock them for that.

 

[Mteam]

It does need to be on a rise as that’s the bike in fitting a headset to?

You asked has anyone fitted a fork.

With regards to headset, As someone else stated many posts back the rise has an integrated headset so you can't fit an Angleset to it, you're out of luck there.

Your options are a shorter fork, or a smaller front wheel (I really wouldn't do this), or just get used to it, or get a different bike .

A longer shock will do all sorts of weird things to the suspension I would imagine.

You could pump the rear shock up so it doesn't sag as much as it should, this will steepen the head angle a bit too,but then you'll be effectively riding a hardtail,(or a soft tail).

Or you could run the fork with not enough air in it.

None of these are ideal hence why my suggestion would be to get used to it being how it is, or sell the bike.

 

[irie]

It will indeed but will also induce more pedal strikes and cost WAY more than a headset

It does need to be on a rise as that’s the bike in fitting a headset to? Surely

Coming off the couch and seeing all this talk of slack steering was defo a concern for me. As said earlier I’m aware this is not the fashion.

Put it this way, I’ve changed the sadle, the bars, changed pedals twice, got the power delivery how I want it. Backed off the rebound damping, altered the compression and the ride from stock, and changed the wheels. I doubt very much anything on that list is the same as anyone else’s.

….and so it is with head angle. Fashion is not the same for everyone and there’s no reason my choices have to be the same as yours. Accept it deal with it and move on. Some bikes you only have to look at and see the ridiculous amount of trail they have.

But if people buy it they’ll keep making it. Cant knock them for that.

CBA. Bye.

 

[Bob Orbea Rise]

You asked has anyone fitted a fork.

With regards to headset, As someone else stated many posts back the rise has an integrated headset so you can't fit an Angleset to it, you're out of luck there.

Your options are a shorter fork, or a smaller front wheel (I really wouldn't do this), or just get used to it, or get a different bike .

A longer shock will do all sorts of weird things to the suspension I would imagine.

You could pump the rear shock up so it doesn't sag as much as it should, this will steepen the head angle a bit too,but then you'll be effectively riding a hardtail,(or a soft tail).

Or you could run the fork with not enough air in it.

None of these are ideal hence why my suggestion would be to get used to it being how it is, or sell the bike.

I’ll talk to the shock and see what it says. That’s useful at least

I asked in the ORBEA section, and specifically about the rise. It’s in my forum name, it’s in the Orbea section. And I asked about the rise head angle

I’m not talking to the specialised owners about a rise head tube am I !

 

[Bob Orbea Rise]

The shock said, if you turn the lock out on, it’s effectively a hard tail dear boy. But the head angle will still be the same.

And do you know, I agree with him. Or her

 

[Mteam]

I’ll talk to the shock and see what it says. That’s useful at least

I asked in the ORBEA section, and specifically about the rise. It’s in my forum name, it’s in the Orbea section. And I asked about the rise head angle

I’m not talking to the specialised owner about a rise head tube am I !

Are you ok?

Your first question about headsets/anglesets was answered many posts back, you can't fit an angleset in a rise,but you kept asking about it.

All your other questions have been answered,but you don't seem to like the answers.

Anyway, I can see that you know best so I'll leave you to it.

Let us know what you end up doing, I'll be interested to see what you do.

 

[Mteam]

The shock said, if you turn the lock out on, it’s effectively a hard tail dear boy. But the head angle will still be the same.

And do you know, I agree with him. Or her

Last post from me,I'm just trying to help as it's clear you're confused.

Shock lockouts are not really lock outs these days, more just a compression damping increase.

Put more air in the shock and it will not sag as much and will steepen your head angle,it will also not work as well over bumps,but that may not be an issue to you.

 

[Bob Orbea Rise]

Last post from me,I'm just trying to help as it's clear you're confused.

Shock lockouts are not really lock outs these days, more just a compression damping increase.

Put more air in the shock and it will not sag as much and will steepen your head angle,it will also not work as well over bumps,but that may not be an issue to you.

You clearly have not read the thread. I’ve said a couple of times altering ride height” DOES NOT affect” the problem to any great degree.

Could I direct the honourable member to the question at hand. Rather than giving answers you do have to a different question.

 

[Mikerb]

Time to call it a day folks! This guy is just trolling. He has an out and out trail bike with a very conservative c 65.5 head angle that every review I have read both climbs well ( as you would expect with the Geo of the Rise) yet has pretty good downhill capability as well, assuming you like a lively ride, largely due ( I suspect) to being about 5kg lighter than a full fat. There is no way the bike has a head angle slack enough to cause steering flop or whatever it is the OP is complaining about. He has no option to fit an angleset ( which would in any case probably ruin the bike!) and he has rejected all the other less than ideal options available to him. His optimum solution is to learn how to ride the bike, so best to leave it to him.

 

[KnollyBro]

Rise for me is very happy downhill. Steeper the better. But uphill it just wants to turn off and go back down at the slightest nudge off line.

Round here it’s a lot of cross country to get to the downhill bits so most of the time the steering is too slack ( complete opposite of the trend at the moment I know) and wants to veer off.

I presume to get it more to my liking I’d want to steepen (not slacken) the head angle. I’ve tried playing with sag on the suspension but anything not rock hard means the pedals strike more and no useful steering tweak is had really.

So I’m thinking of adjustable head set cups and or a longer shock to straighten it all up.

Anyone know if such things? And if the Orbea head tube lends itself to wiggle room ?

You clearly have not read the thread. I’ve said a couple of times altering ride height” DOES NOT affect” the problem to any great degree.

Could I direct the honourable member to the question at hand. Rather than giving answers you do have to a different question.

After rereading the OP, Bob likes to ride DH but is having difficulty riding uphill on an emtb. He also is confused about how a slacker HTA, rock hard suspension and a shorter wheel base would help his issue, especially in consideration of his overwhelming desire to try an angled headset. Bob does not want to reveal his height, weight or have any video of him demonstrating his issue which may reveal a body position/bike fit issue. Bob's attempt at humor and lack of sentence structure suggest he is neither using ChatGP or is really not that interested in finding any resolution to his question.
My suggestion is get a bike fit done and to take a lesson on how to ride your bike uphill as no one else seems to have a similar complaint.

 

[Bob Orbea Rise]

After rereading the OP, Bob likes to ride DH but is having difficulty riding uphill on an emtb. He also is confused about how a slacker HTA, rock hard suspension and a shorter wheel base would help his issue, especially in consideration of his overwhelming desire to try an angled headset. Bob does not want to reveal his height, weight or have any video of him demonstrating his issue which may reveal a body position/bike fit issue. Bob's attempt at humor and lack of sentence structure suggest he is neither using ChatGP or is really not that interested in finding any resolution to his question.
My suggestion is get a bike fit done and to take a lesson on how to ride your bike uphill as no one else seems to have a similar complaint.

Pmsl not very open minded are we. Esp as none if things you mention will have ANY effect on the “problem” invented by the members here. It’s just a question about fitting adjustable head sets to a rise and an aversion to overly slack geo on none downhill tracks.

Any downhill team is playing with such things from what I see. Not sure on cross country I don’t watch it. Cyclo cross mmmmno.
But Syndicate use Chris King reach extenders. Yt are playing with frame size and chain stay lengths as well as head set adjusters. I see similar gadgets on older trek bikes and canyon have invented the shape shifter to raise the rear suspension to achieve exactly this. AND they have a self centering spring device in the cross bar to head tube to keep the bars centered. All in relation to this issue.

I don’t care you’ve not noticed how tf does that help

 

[rzr]

so you change your shock - the same length shock, just with shorter stroke (service can change that on many shocks for you),

or just pump more air ....


sorry....your frame doesn't have the same adjustability as Greg's SC V10

 

[Bob Orbea Rise]

so you change your shock - the same length shock, just with shorter stroke (service can change that on many shocks for you),

or just pump more air ....


sorry....your frame doesn't have the same adjustability as Greg's SC V10

It doesn’t no frame does it’s all normal fiddling word us wrong with you lot? I’m not allowed to alter my bike ? As you don’t have or have not noticed the problem.

I’ve sorted most of the niggles and this is next on the list. Wtf is your problem with that? I mean really?

And all the while not one answer to the question beyond a link? Thank you to those btw ….. and nothing but piss taking and …. Oh wait.

Are you insulted I’ve criticised your bike?


Pps I HAVE PUMPED UP THE AIR. Changing the ride height is not enough !

 

[RichT]

And no we didn’t stop off at the pub half way round

well that was your big mistake….

On a more serious note, and please forgive a rookie’s inexperience, but are you just referring to the angle of the stem relative to the fork’s steering tube?

 

[Bob Orbea Rise]

well that was your big mistake….

Carrying on In the spirit of this thread… have you tried the AA? They have a sale on at the moment yearly membership half price. Are you putting on weight ? Which pub do you go to? What’s your tipple? Oh really there’s your problem you should drink gin and don’t you DARE compare it to vodka. Have you got a video of your elbow? What gps route do you take to the pub?

What was that? You just wanted Cider. Pah weirdo. That’s not the fashion at the moment. Learn to drink first then come back to us with your
Cirrhosis of the liver diagnosis ya lightweight

Sorry. Just trying to fit in but your not wrong

 

[RichT]

Carrying on In the spirit of this thread… have you tried the AA? They have a sale on at the moment yearly membership half price. Are you putting on weight ? Which pub do you go to? What’s your tipple? Oh really there’s your problem you should drink gin and don’t you DARE compare it to vodka. Have you got a video of your elbow? What gps route do you take to the pub?

What was that? You just wanted Cider. Pah weirdo. That’s not the fashion at the moment. Learn to drink first then come back to us with your
Cirrhosis of the liver diagnosis ya lightweight

Sorry. Just trying to fit in but your not wrong

Ok there is only one serious statement here, and no, I would never make that comparison. Gin is an art form, vodka is just alcohol. Icelandic gin also can’t really be compared and perhaps shouldn’t even be called gin. I guess they don’t have enough botanical flavor enhancers that far north.

 

[Bob Orbea Rise]

Ok there is only one serious statement here, and no, I would never make that comparison. Gin is an art form, vodka is just alcohol. Icelandic gin also can’t really be compared and perhaps shouldn’t even be called gin. I guess they don’t have enough botanical flavor enhancers that far north.

This is more like it. Why didnt you chime in earlier?

 

[Bob Orbea Rise]

well that was your big mistake….

On a more serious note, and please forgive a rookie’s inexperience, but are you just referring to the angle of the stem relative to the fork’s steering tube?

Errrr angle of the fork stearer tube. But yes. The frame head tube is fixed but on some models it’s possible to alter the steering within the head tube by fitting off set or adjustable head sets cups or some other arrangement.

Eg the Chris king ones are the same top and bottom but are both off set forward to give the rider more reach or move his weight forward.

If in my case, if just the top bearing race was moved forward it would steepen the angle within the frame. If the bottom race wax moved forward it would move the angle more slack.

But the bearing races have to be machined to still be square to the steerer tube

But it’s all that shinanigins yes

 

[Bob Orbea Rise]

The question is can this be done on the rise?

 

[rzr]

shorter fork, longer shock - to keep BB on the same (or similar) level

 

[Mteam]

The question is can this be done on the rise?

Mate , seriously, I know I said I wouldnt post any more,but read post #12 of this thread.

Let me spell it out again ,in case it's not clear - the rise uses an integrated headset which means you cannot fit any kind of Angleset.

 

[Bob Orbea Rise]

Mate , seriously, I know I said I wouldnt post any more,but read post #12 of this thread.

Let me spell it out again ,in case it's not clear - the rise uses an integrated headset which means you cannot fit any kind of Angleset.

Except the slack r which is designed for integrated head sets ….?

 

[Mteam]

Except the slack r which is designed for integrated head sets ….?

Get one bought and let us know how it goes, looks like it should fit from reading the website.

Just check you have 20mm additional steerer tube length on your fork above the stem, or at least 20mm of spacers below the stem,or a total of 20mm above and below

 

[Bob Orbea Rise]

shorter fork, longer shock - to keep BB on the same (or similar) level

Yes you said. I ain’t going that it’s too expensive …. And has NOTHING TO DI WITH THE QUESTION I ASKED RZR

Get one bought and let us know how it goes, looks like it should fit from reading the website.

Just check you have 20mm additional steerer tube length on your fork above the stem, or at least 20mm of spacers below the stem,or a total of 20mm above and below

can I refer the honourable
Member to my previous answer on exactly that.

But you do now accept that it can potentially be done, after your little outburst Where you was do cock sure it could not ? Hmm? If you’d read …. Oh never mind

 

[Bob Orbea Rise]

Oh and did you see the bit where it CLEARLY states the the slack R can be fitted either way round. Slack or steep. As the owner and the person who paid for the bike sees fit. And as the person who paid for the bloody slack r in the first place feels like?

Mr M team hmm?

 

[Mteam]

Get it ordered and tell the forum about it,I'm sure everyone will be interested to hear about how well it works etc.

 

[Bob Orbea Rise]

And did you see the bit In this very thread we here I said the rise does have two 10mm spacers above the head set, BUT the slack r means effectively some of one of those 10mm spacers will be under the head set when it all bolted up. Meaning some of the set is now fighting itself by being higher at the front.

Although if the back could go up by the same amount that’s ok

Should not have posted that last bit they’ll get confused agsin

 

[KnollyBro]

And did you see the bit In this very thread we here I said the rise does have two 10mm spacers above the head set, BUT the slack r means effectively some of one of those 10mm spacers will be under the head set when it all bolted up. Meaning some of the set is now fighting itself by being higher at the front.

Although if the back could go up by the same amount that’s ok

Should not have posted that last bit they’ll get confused agsin

I for one have to ask, is English your second language (everyone makes spelling mistakes and misses the occasional word out here and there but your written responses often are difficult to follow, with the lack of punctuation)? So much of what you write barely makes any sense and I am a teacher who teaches English as a Second Language!
Other than enjoyment of winding up several people who have offered suggestions to try to help you, have you gotten anything else out of all of these messages?

 

[RichT]

I for one have to ask, is English your second language (everyone makes spelling mistakes and misses the occasional word out here and there but your written responses often are difficult to follow, with the lack of punctuation)? So much of what you write barely makes any sense and I am a teacher who teaches English as a Second Language!
Other than enjoyment of winding up several people who have offered suggestions to try to help you, have you gotten anything else out of all of these messages?

If you read it with an East End accent, it makes perfect sense.