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All New 2023 Orbea Wild
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Regarding the e-Tuned for, Orbea got back to me, with a really valid explanation.
The e-Tuned has a slightly lighter damping tune. Fox's marketing mentions the following of the e-tuned forks:
Fox Say: "Our e-MTB Tuned forks feature a custom compression tune that helps keep the wheels glued to the ground at all times, maintaining traction and forward momentum, and a more progressive air spring tune to make sure that even though the initial stroke is softer the end stroke ramps up to provide the right amount of support for those bigger hits."
Orbea felt that most riders who spec the 160 fork that comes stock on the bike would benefit from the e-tuned fork (softer initial stroke, more comfortable for pedalling / climbing / all round performance ) - BUT, they think that riders who choose the 170 will be more focussed on descents / DH performance of the bike, so specifically chose the standard 38 Factory (non e-tuned) because it has a different damping tune, and that that the standard fork provided better performance for descents. The non e-tuned is a bit firmer / supportive on the inital stroke compared to the e-tuned.
This info is direct from the product manager (I rode with him and he is insanely fast!). And it is nice to understand there is a reason for it!
Strrangely, my demo bike DID in fact come with an e-tuned fork in 170 format, and I still personally really like it!!
Rob.
The e-Tuned has a slightly lighter damping tune. Fox's marketing mentions the following of the e-tuned forks:
Fox Say: "Our e-MTB Tuned forks feature a custom compression tune that helps keep the wheels glued to the ground at all times, maintaining traction and forward momentum, and a more progressive air spring tune to make sure that even though the initial stroke is softer the end stroke ramps up to provide the right amount of support for those bigger hits."
Orbea felt that most riders who spec the 160 fork that comes stock on the bike would benefit from the e-tuned fork (softer initial stroke, more comfortable for pedalling / climbing / all round performance ) - BUT, they think that riders who choose the 170 will be more focussed on descents / DH performance of the bike, so specifically chose the standard 38 Factory (non e-tuned) because it has a different damping tune, and that that the standard fork provided better performance for descents. The non e-tuned is a bit firmer / supportive on the inital stroke compared to the e-tuned.
This info is direct from the product manager (I rode with him and he is insanely fast!). And it is nice to understand there is a reason for it!
Strrangely, my demo bike DID in fact come with an e-tuned fork in 170 format, and I still personally really like it!!
Rob.
Thanks.
That matches the non-detailed reply I got from them. (It sounded strange to me back then, so wasn't sure what to believe)
I'm happy I changed to 160 then
EDIT:
Oh, and to the ones who's already received their bikes: Come on! More pictures guys!!!
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Mine is showing an estimated date of 7th March, driving me crazy!!Thanks.
That matches the non-detailed reply I got from them. (It sounded strange to me back then, so wasn't sure what to believe)
I'm happy I changed to 160 then
EDIT:
Oh, and to the ones who's already received their bikes: Come on! More pictures guys!!!
Cannot wait!
cousin jack
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I've had a demo on a 2022 Wild, and was very impressed with the performance, so much so that I pulled the trigger on a 2023 H20.
I have to say I was swayed by the bosch motor, 29 front and back, and the 750wh battery along with the great review by Ron Hancill and others besides.
I realised that I may have a bit of a wait for the newer models to arrive, but was quite content to do so, especially after my LBS guys went to some sort of demo last month and reported back that the new Wild was "stunning".
There seems to be quite a lot of interest in this bike and I was just wondering how many had trickled into the country (UK) and what new owners' thoughts were .....any replies appreciated!
I have to say I was swayed by the bosch motor, 29 front and back, and the 750wh battery along with the great review by Ron Hancill and others besides.
I realised that I may have a bit of a wait for the newer models to arrive, but was quite content to do so, especially after my LBS guys went to some sort of demo last month and reported back that the new Wild was "stunning".
There seems to be quite a lot of interest in this bike and I was just wondering how many had trickled into the country (UK) and what new owners' thoughts were .....any replies appreciated!
BermJunky
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My m10 with 160 fork should ship March 17. Can. Not. Wait.Mine is showing an estimated date of 7th March, driving me crazy!!
I got my dispatch notification today. Will get some pics up when she arrives
BermJunky
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AwesomeI got my dispatch notification today. Will get some pics up when she arrives
Can confirm above….IMHO. Easy and clear reading at a glance. This in full Phoenix sun….
BermJunky
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Looks great. Love the colours
Congrats! Could you share your ride impressions? Thanks!
I have my wild since 3 weeks and made two rides. (Bad weather here
)I opted for the 750 battery and don’t regret it, with the 630 i guess I would have. Had the previous wild FS m-Team and the new bike feels the same, which is not a bad thing, or even better!
The old one was amazing and the new wild looks even better and feels super nimble with 2,4 tyres (DH casing) and 24,3kg. Have the Dhx2 coil shock and I really like the coil on this one, however probably less poppy than the X2 but more sensitive on normal rooty sections.
Great bike, less rattling and really quiet compared to the old one. I’m in
A few questions please:I have my wild since 3 weeks and made two rides. (Bad weather here
I opted for the 750 battery and don’t regret it, with the 630 i guess I would have. Had the previous wild FS m-Team and the new bike feels the same, which is not a bad thing, or even better!
The old one was amazing and the new wild looks even better and feels super nimble with 2,4 tyres (DH casing) and 24,3kg. Have the Dhx2 coil shock and I really like the coil on this one, however probably less poppy than the X2 but more sensitive on normal rooty sections.
Great bike, less rattling and really quiet compared to the old one. I’m in
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What colour is that?
What size?
What is your height?
How accurate is the Orbea website colours to real life?
I'm liking the Blue Carbon View as it looks a dark shade on the bike. However on the colour pallete it looks much lighter and shinier...
I'm liking the Blue Carbon View as it looks a dark shade on the bike. However on the colour pallete it looks much lighter and shinier...
1st color: metallic dark green Matt
2nd color: black Matt
Bike is Large.
I‘m 1,82m
Had previously an XL and the L feels a little more compact but still large enough, I guess XL would be too big on the new one.
BermJunky
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That’s the colour I ordered. Did see it on a Rise and it looks sweet.
To add some insight about Fox E specific suspension✌ with FAQ and all...in the link
Short:
There are e-tuned forks(damping & air spring tuned for specific area of the sport) and e-optimized forks(e-tune + chassis optimized-beefed up CSU)
The 38 is already beefy enough so only an e-tuned 38 exists.
E-optimized are the 34s and the 36s.
So you Rob probably have some kind of a hybrid e-fox
E-MTB | Mountain Bike Suspension | FOX
FOX redefines ride dynamics for ATVs, mountain bikes, motocross, off-road vehicles, snowmobiles, trucks, and UTVs.
www.ridefox.com
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Hey a quick question...I am not that familiar with these new designs for running cables through the headset area.
Am I thinking wrong or right about this...would the cables get pinched by the stem turning as a consequence of a crash?
Per Orbea:
Spin Block Protection
Crashes happen when you are pushing hard. Our light and simple Spin Block prevents the handlebars from over rotating and damaging your beautiful frame.
Hey I think you didn't understand my question. I know what spin block is for, to protect the carbon frame from a fork CSU or handlebar hitting it.
I am asking about damaging the cables and brake hoses because If you crash hard enough the stem which is holding the handlebars can rotate from the force and looking at location of the cables going in on both sides of the stem and just under it, if I am right the cables and brake hoses are going to get damaged/pinched which is not a good scenario as sooner or later we all crash...
BermJunky
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If the spin block stops the bars from over rotating then I’m thinking it will prevent cable damage?
I am guessing Orbea is using the Acros block lock headset rebranded with their name.
Acros Block Lock headset review - MBR
Acros Block Lock is a headset with a feature to restrict the turning circle. It's just the top part of the headset, which reduces fitting costs and expense.
www.mbr.co.uk
The sole purpose of these block headsets is to limit steering angle and nothing else if I am correct.
If you look at the picture you can see that even when the spin block (or whatever it's called) does it's job - limits steering angle, the force of a crash pushing on the handlebars can force the stem to turn even further...any serious mtb rider has had a crash where the handlebars twisted because the stem turned.
Cables on the Wild/Rise are so close to the stem that even a slight movement of the stem could pinch the brake hose.
The only way this would not happen is if the stem is somehow connected to the spin block headset, which I think it isn't?
Maybe it's easier to understand what I mean in this video where you can see that the stem is not connected to the spin block headset.
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BermJunky
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Why don’t you ask Orbea? Seems you are going a long way for an answer that may be very easy to get….I am guessing Orbea is using the Acros block lock headset rebranded with their name.
Acros Block Lock headset review - MBR
Acros Block Lock is a headset with a feature to restrict the turning circle. It's just the top part of the headset, which reduces fitting costs and expense.
The sole purpose of these block headsets is to limit steering angle and nothing else if I am correct.
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If you look at the picture you can see that even when the spin block (or whatever it's called) does it's job - limits steering angle, the force of a crash pushing on the handlebars can force the stem to turn even further...any serious mtb rider has had a crash where the handlebars twisted because the stem turned.
Cables on the Wild/Rise are so close to the stem that even a slight movement of the stem could pinch the brake hose.
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The only way this would not happen is if the stem is somehow connected to the spin block headset, which I think it isn't?
Maybe it's easier to understand what I mean in this video where you can see that the stem is not connected to the spin block headset.
Ah, yes. I see what you're asking now....
My other bike is a 2020 Levo Comp. Really liking the new bike, but it’s a bit different animal….longer, slacker. Climbs well, as does my Levo. It’s definitely more stable downhill and in steep chunk (some due to 38 versus Lyrik). Takes a bit more to steer in tight turns but I’m getting used to it quickly I think.
To me, I like both the Brose & Bosch motors. Each feels a little different but app tuning helps tweak the modes on each. I don’t notice the Bosch motor rattle people talk about.
Suspension needs more tune as expected. I swapped the Float X for an Ohlins TTX22m.2 coil.
I’m about 155 lbs. kitted (70 kg) and I’ve done three desert rides this week. Battery is a 750.
Battery use Miles Elevation
59% — 27.1 — 3200 ft. — ~90% EMTB / 10% Turbo
84% — 31.0 — 3800 ft. — 80%/20%
50% — 19.5 — 2100 ft. — 90%/10%
Oh, and a rock bit my derraileur in a freak hit today….
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Thanks and sorry for your derailleur.My other bike is a 2020 Levo Comp. Really liking the new bike, but it’s a bit different animal….longer, slacker. Climbs well, as does my Levo. It’s definitely more stable downhill and in steep chunk (some due to 38 versus Lyrik). Takes a bit more to steer in tight turns but I’m getting used to it quickly I think.
To me, I like both the Brose & Bosch motors. Each feels a little different but app tuning helps tweak the modes on each. I don’t notice the Bosch motor rattle people talk about.
Suspension needs more tune as expected. I swapped the Float X for an Ohlins TTX22m.2 coil.
I’m about 155 lbs. kitted (70 kg) and I’ve done three desert rides this week. Battery is a 750.
Battery use Miles Elevation
59% 27.1 3200 ft. ~90% EMTB / 10% Turbo
84% 31.0 3800 ft. 80%/20%
50% 19.5 2100 ft. 90%/10%
Oh, and a rock bit my derraileur in a freak hit today….
Was it harsh/nervous with the Float X?
Thanks
The bike shop I had my new wild M10 delivered to this week have left me a voicemail saying there's an issue with my bike that they've just built. Hopefully nothing serious but I'll call them tomorrow to find out.
Will keep yous in the loop if its anything significant. Just wish they'd said in the voice msg :/
**pics of how my bike arrived from Orbea. Absolutely gutted tbh, can't help but think it left the factory in this way due to the location of the damage but who knows**
Will keep yous in the loop if its anything significant. Just wish they'd said in the voice msg :/
**pics of how my bike arrived from Orbea. Absolutely gutted tbh, can't help but think it left the factory in this way due to the location of the damage but who knows**
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Will the new SRAM AXS UDH derailleur fit the 2023 Orbea Wild frame?
BermJunky
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What’s the remedy? Sorry to see that. We wait a long time for these bikes. QC is paramount, Orbea!
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