Levo Gen 2 2019 Levo Custom Build...from FSR to S-Works and beyond

[sirshan]

Looking forward to a review on the Enve Wheels on the Levo. Ive had a few friend snap some on their Enduro bikes...granted they are doing larger drops and getting airborne. Ive been hesitant to buy some because of this, so Ive stuck to the stocks until I figure out which to get. Was leaning towards Stans Sentry MK3's with King Hubs. Not sure yet though...

Keep us posted on this build. Looking good.

 

[All Mountain Coaching]

Decals should arrive Tuesday. I've just got to figure out the best way to sort the 6 bolt /centrelock disc rotor issue out. I've run enve for a few years now, admittedly on lightweight trail bikes. As good as they are, I'm not sure I'd buy again as there are great carbon options at a fraction of the cost.

 

[All Mountain Coaching]

Got the bike back on Friday for the first ride this weekend. Massive thanks to Lee and the invisiframe team again, for using the bike as a test mule for the kit. They now have kits for both materials in most sizes.

Should prolong the looks a while as the spesh paint seems to be wafer thin.

 

[All Mountain Coaching]

After a ride the weekend and dropping the post a little so not full leg extension, I've decided the fox post is enough drop. Saves me a few hundred quid getting the bikeyolk post.

So it looks like I'll be going fox kashima all round rather than rs black. My OCD would let me just have one gold part

So I've ordered the next part...
Wolf tooth remote lever in SRAM flavour
https://www.kustombikes.co.uk/wolf-...jAEzkqzdHpDD1-yHWE9FbiZ0q_9C741kaAkUTEALw_wcB

Now I can run the coward levers where I can actually reach them

 

[All Mountain Coaching]

New cockpit has started. Out with the standard 45mm stem and on with rental 50mm (35) apex and ti bolts

Standard bars replaced with renthal carbon fat bars 780 (35) and Odi elite grips.

165g saving.

 

[All Mountain Coaching]

Only rolled around the block on the current Frankenstein-levo and it feels terrible lol. I think the increase in length and rise of stem makes the front flip flop. I'll lower the stack tomorrow.

 

[All Mountain Coaching]

Swapped out the wheels, now had Enve m60hv with DT Swiss 240s (centre lock) -don't ask and Magic Mary 2.4, Nobby Nic 2.35 both tubeless. And twin 180 rotors with xx1 cassette.

New decals were supposed to be here Monday and the brake situation is on going.

Put her on the scales. Total 21kg. Massive 1.5kg saving. Bet the magnet was 0.5kg

Doubt I'll get her under 20, but will be 20-something with pedals for sure. So a sub 20 carbon version is totally feasible without getting impractical lightweight components.

 

[Kiwi in Wales]

Swapped out the wheels, now had Enve m60hv with DT Swiss 240s (centre lock) -don't ask and Magic Mary 2.4, Nobby Nic 2.35 both tubeless. And twin 180 rotors with xx1 cassette.

New decals were supposed to be here Monday and the brake situation is on going.

Put her on the scales. Total 21kg. Massive 1.5kg saving. Bet the magnet was 0.5kg

Doubt I'll get her under 20, but will be 20-something with pedals for sure. So a sub 20 carbon version is totally feasible without getting impractical lightweight components.

That is good going getting it down to 46lbs. Do you have photos of the original wheel set up weight with cassette, tyres and disks and the new wheel set up weight? Similar to what you did with the stem and handlebar photos?

 

[All Mountain Coaching]

Swapped out the wheels, now had Enve m60hv with DT Swiss 240s (centre lock) -don't ask and Magic Mary 2.4, Nobby Nic 2.35 both tubeless. And twin 180 rotors with xx1 cassette.

New decals were supposed to be here Monday and the brake situation is on going.

Put her on the scales. Total 21kg. Massive 1.5kg saving. Bet the magnet was 0.5kg

Doubt I'll get her under 20, but will be 20-something with pedals for sure. So a sub 20 carbon version is totally feasible without getting impractical lightweight components.

That is good going getting it down to 46lbs. Do you have photos of the original wheel set up weight with cassette, tyres and disks and the new wheel set up weight? Similar to what you did with the stem and handlebar photos?

I changed phones and it seems I've lost them. From memory fully loaded they were about 2.6 and 2.2kg original set.

 

[All Mountain Coaching]

These arrived today

Shame two are creased

 

[All Mountain Coaching]

And just as I was leaving, a courier dropped this off. Just waiting on the magnets now...

 

[ccrdave]

And just as I was leaving, a courier dropped this off. Just waiting on the magnets now... View attachment 6759

Have you considered drilling out two of the rivets and bolting the spesh magnet on?

 

[All Mountain Coaching]

And within 5 more minutes these arrived. Yay! It's judgement day today. I'll know if I can ride this weekend or it'll be another week and more guess work...

 

[All Mountain Coaching]

Just thought I'd amuse you with the franken-levo. It's booked in for Monday, so will look very different next week

 

[Gary]

would look way nicer with no rim decals.
Can't you just heat them with a hairdrier and peel them?

 

[All Mountain Coaching]

would look way nicer with no rim decals.
Can't you just heat them with a hairdrier and peel them?

Yeah I could, but they're only on there to mark where to put the new ones. As I've got to fit them, so knowing me they'd be on the piss.

 

[All Mountain Coaching]

Had a wee ride on it today. It was just brilliant! Taking 750g ish off the front end has made a massive difference, i'm back in business with coaster wheelies

Can't wait until next weekend when it'll be near enough final spec.

 

[All Mountain Coaching]

I was able to use the existing rotors on my centrelock hubs. .

Here's a few pics of the different rotor setups and weights. 180 centerline, 200 centerline, plus 6 bolt adapter and 200 centrelock.

I managed to solve the magnet issue and now I've one glued on. I'll update the brake thread with what happened.

 

[All Mountain Coaching]

So the xx1 cassette was slipping pretty bad yesterday, so I've decided to go back to the standard gx cassette for the winter and get a bling one and chain in spring. (Maybe in 6m most will be on eagle and the 11sp will be on sale)

So the bike is in the shop in 7 hours for a few days, getting this lot done... (Doing a few mods myself)

-wheel bearings, true and spoke check, decals.
-fox 36
-guide Ultimates and new pads all round, bleed and cables shortened.
-wolf tooth lever
-xx1 shifter
-36t chain ring
-gx cassette swap
-xx1 mech

Cannot wait! The last round of mods made a massive! Difference. I'm expecting less of a dramatic change for these, but still, counting the days until I can take her out again.

 

[Thomas]

So the speed sensor is the same as on 2018 Levo?
https://www.mtbcult.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/specialized_pedal_assist_launch_stills_35.jpg

Would be interesting, if we could move the sensor inside the rear triangle couple of cm and move the magnet outboard.. That would change the speed limit at more acceptable speed 30-35 km/h.

 

[gazz]

So the speed sensor is the same as on 2018 Levo?
https://www.mtbcult.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/specialized_pedal_assist_launch_stills_35.jpg

Would be interesting, if we could move the sensor inside the rear triangle couple of cm and move the magnet outboard.. That would change the speed limit at more acceptable speed 30-35 km/h.

mooving the magnet and sensor will make no difference to the speee sensor speed limit

 

[Thomas]

mooving the magnet and sensor will make no difference to the speee sensor speed limit

Moving the sensor to the left, the magnet will have to travel more, so the cut of speed would be higher. Similar to this, you just have to slow down the speed of the magnet passing the sensor.

 

[Harmialized]

What would happen when sensor is placed on crank?

 

[Thomas]

What would happen when sensor is placed on crank?

Pedals are spinning at much slower speed than the wheels. So you basically fooling the system, than you riding at much lower speed, than you actually are. But this sensor is probably cleverly hidden and installed in the frame, so it would be "impossible" to move.

 

[MarkH]

Moving the sensor to the left, the magnet will have to travel more, so the cut of speed would be higher. Similar to this, you just have to slow down the speed of the magnet passing the sensor.

Don't think it works like that. Speed is derived by the magnet doing a full wheel revolution so it wouldn't make any difference if the magnet was on the rotor or closer to the rim. That's why changing the wheel size setting is used by many to fudge the speed calc as the distance travelled in a revolution changes.

 

[R120]

The way some of the u know what devices out there work is they only read the spoke magnet every other revolution

 

[Thomas]

...Anyway this kinda tuning will be much better option, if the software hack won't be available in the next year.
Brose E Bike Tuning
Will have to wait to see if they come up with something for 2.1 motor.

 

[khorn]

It’s an ordinary hall sensor counting rpm, no matter where you place the magnet the rpm will be exactly the same - Simple physics.

What will change is the rotating speed but the sensor does not care about that. Only way, as mentioned, to manipulate the speed signal is to reduce the pulses per time unit.

Karsten

 

[ccrdave]

is it not revs per min x wheel circumference equals distance travelled divided by time equals speed?
won't slowing down the revs per min by making the magnet pass over the sensor fewer times per minute (moving the magnet out) give a false speed reading?

 

[khorn]

is it not revs per min x wheel circumference equals distance travelled divided by time equals speed?
won't slowing down the revs per min by making the magnet pass over the sensor fewer times per minute (moving the magnet out) give a false speed reading?

All parts of the wheel is running the same RPM no matter where you place pick-up/magnet. Distance travelled of the magnet will of course change depending on where in the circle the combo is located but RPM will always be the same. The RPM paired with the outer circumference will give you the speed. If you reduce the outer circumference in the software(maintaining actual outer circumference), you will fool the software to believe that you are going slower than your actual speed. Some cheating systems manipulate with the RPM signal and some are manipulating with outer circumference and the result are the same - Higher speed limit.

Karsten