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It would be super easy for motor companies to diagnose if a chip is fitted, so why wouldn't they? If cadence/wheel revolutions > 1.75 whilst delivering torque for more than a second or two then it's chipped.

Looks cold there, with the palm trees. :-D

Bar mitt type of things are warmer, but I find that if you ride in heavy rain the water runs down your arms and the mitts fill with water.

We go out looking like a crippled power ranger, then get covered in filth and sheep shit, and the look of hand guards is a problem?

In my experience, far too many people just don't understand the lightweight e-bike thing. Heads firmly in the sand. Their loss, they're missing out on a great riding experience in my opinion. I've got some full fat bikes as well as SLs, and for most rides I prefer the SLs, yet still some people...

That's not how I read it. Two years warranty on the frame for the first and second owners. Same for RIGID forks. Two years warranty on everything else for the first owner only.

Just frame and rigid forks are transferrable then. I knew it definitely wasn't the case with motors because I have another mate who's had to buy a motor, despite the bike being virtually new, because he's not the original purchaser. The whole thing absolutely stinks if you ask me.

I have a very good relationship with my LBS, we go on rides together and I've spent a fortune in his shop, but if Giant aren't holding up their end, it puts my LBS in a difficult position. He's actually considering giving up selling e-bikes altogether because of the lack of support and warranty...

It actually isn't if you read their terms and conditions. They probably tell you that it is when you're buying it though.

We're in the UK, and honestly, Giant are a joke here.

With Giant, I've had issues with my bike, my wife's bike and two of my friends bikes, and every time it was a dreadful fight to get a solution, and I didn't even always get that. For one of the bikes I just gave up and bought a motor, when what I really should have done was go legal. It's...

That is exactly right. Most bikes have issues. Specialized have fantastic support and, even though the Brose motors are absolutely dreadful, Spesh sell zillions of bikes because people have the confidence that problems will be sorted.

My experience of Giant warranty is that it's virtually non-existent. Absolute joke and I'll never buy anything from them again.

I think it depends on the group's relative fitness. I'm happy having to work harder to keep up with less fit riders on full fats.

I'm lucky enough to have various bikes at my disposal, both SL and full fat. In a nutshell, an SL is much slower on steep climbs but FASTER EVERYWHERE ELSE. They're also more economical if you like long rides. Most of my PBs are on the SL bikes. Over the course of a ride with varied gradients...

Excuse the 'patina'

Can't see how that's relevant when all e-bike prices are totally unrealistic. :-D

You can buy everything for a Polini motor too.

In my experience Giant has been both the least reliable and Giant UK has been the least helpful in sorting problems out. Absolutely disgraceful in fact. I've had zero issues with my other bikes, but my favorite is probably my Polini motor. Not only has it been completely trouble free, but if...