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Amber Valley Guy

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Can someone please explain to me what 'trail riding' is? Is it a US term for what we Brits would call bridleways and green lanes (p.r.o.w) ....or does it mean MTB trail parks, or does it mean UK trails like (in Derbyshire anyway) the High Peak Trail, Monsal Trail, Tissington Trail etc ( old railway lines that are now flat shared footpaths/cycleways).
It seems an odd name to use.
 

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Go and ride the bike parks and find out.

Green track:-
7 year old child can ride around. Its flowy, easy with no difficult parts. There could be super easy jumps, but they are all rollable.

Blue trails:-
Adds some rocks and roots and maybe some rollable drops or steeps but. No "victory or death" features You do not have to get your wheels off the ground. But there is likely to be bigger rollable jumps

Black trails:-
These tend to split into tech and jump tracks. A black track will require you to commit to challenging features, there is likely gap jumps, and non rollable drops on the black jump tracks. On the black tech tracks, things get gnarly with steeps, big rock or root sections that you have to have the skill to ride.

Double black:-
The same as black tracks except harder. Bigger features, more "victory or death" you must make it or break either yourself or the bike.

Proline:-
Usually these trails are blocked off and only open when there is a pro race dh race going on.
Red’s ?
 

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The grading system is broadly based on the ski-piste system which is fairly universal in europe. These can vary at different resorts (bike parks here) depending on terrain and weather conditions.
Try a green… the easiest. If you are ok and feel confident go for a blue.
If that worries you stop at blues!
Keep practicing and grade up the colours with experience and practice…..
 

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That’s a good question. I think we only have one trail designated or rated as a “Red” trail. IM not even sure what the criteria would be for a red trail. Is it between a black and blue rated trail?
Yes. There are a lot of reds in the uk.
Up from a blue but probably rollable on the drops or jumps.
 

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I’ve also heard of white and orange rated trails. Those could be part of some ski hill ratings system.

Some entrances to trails look like a double black diamond but turn out to be a blue rated trail. I think once you’ve familiar with a mountain you know which trails to avoid.
 

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Red would be the proline or some crazy ass technical like that some silly ass technical features that cannot be ridden around.
Good to know if I win the lottery. In the UK a red is rollable or has chicken lines so dropping into a NZ red could be a bit od an eye opener! :ROFLMAO:
 

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I ride on roads or cycle paths to reach trails, which simply put, are
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none of the above !
 

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That’s a good question. I think we only have one trail designated or rated as a “Red” trail. IM not even sure what the criteria would be for a red trail. Is it between a black and blue rated trail?

Red’s ?


In Europe a red trail is the equivalent of a USA/Canada black.

Our scheme is green/blue/red/black, vs the USA/Canada green/blue/black/double black.

Private bike parks in the uk do their own thing and the UK body that manages public land has helpfully just adopted green/blue/red/black/double black for DH trails, after previously using a system of 1-3 orange dots previously, with absolutely zero consistency in difficulty and no concept of what a double black trail is.
 

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In Europe a red trail is the equivalent of a USA/Canada black.

Our scheme is green/blue/red/black, vs the USA/Canada green/blue/black/double black.

Private bike parks in the uk do their own thing and the UK body that manages public land has helpfully just adopted green/blue/red/black/double black for DH trails, after previously using a system of 1-3 orange dots previously, with absolutely zero consistency in difficulty and no concept of what a double black trail is.
That makes sense. We have too many designated black trails that tend to overlap in difficulty. A Red trail with chicken lanes can be very difficult but rideable for me. I’d probably skip-da-features.

But the North Shore is another level …and I’d want a guide before I ride Squamish.
 
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Amber Valley Guy

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I mainly ride as I said before, Derbyshire and Peak District bridleways and shared paths I find on OS maps (I don't use designated mtb apps), so I have no idea what colour they are, but after watching plenty of YouTube vids (in and around the Peak District) it seems like a lot of the MTB/emtb trails are the same bridleways anyway....and it's more fun not having a clue what type of challenge awaits when you plan a route imo. But that's just my take on it. Enjoy wherever and whatever you ride on.
 
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I mainly ride as I said before, Derbyshire and Peak District bridleways and shared paths I find on OS maps (I don't use designated mtb apps), so I have no idea what colour they are, but after watching plenty of YouTube vids (in and around the Peak District) it seems like a lot of the MTB/emtb trails are the same bridleways anyway....and it's more fun not having a clue what type of challenge awaits when you plan a route imo. But that's just my take on it. Enjoy wherever and whatever you ride on.
It’s usually after I’ve ridden down a double black (if I make it) that I look at the topographical map and realize how stupid I was. The tight elevation lines with a trail descending straight down makes me wonder …what was I thinking? Regardless, all part of the adventure.
 

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I mainly ride as I said before, Derbyshire and Peak District bridleways and shared paths I find on OS maps (I don't use designated mtb apps), so I have no idea what colour they are, but after watching plenty of YouTube vids (in and around the Peak District) it seems like a lot of the MTB/emtb trails are the same bridleways anyway....and it's more fun not having a clue what type of challenge awaits when you plan a route imo. But that's just my take on it. Enjoy wherever and whatever you ride on.
I suppose you could call any route you go on a trail as well , I do anyway. You could probably call it a track or path as well. Overthinking it all I think. Could be a media conjured up name as well.
 

Amber Valley Guy

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It’s usually after I’ve ridden down a double black (if I make it) that I look at the topographical map and realize how stupid I was. The tight elevation lines with a trail descending straight down makes me wonder …what was I thinking? Regardless, all part of the adventure.
That's where OS maps comes in handy...except I usually forget to look closely at the contour lines! Reminds me:

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Can someone please explain to me what 'trail riding' is? Is it a US term for what we Brits would call bridleways and green lanes (p.r.o.w) ....or does it mean MTB trail parks, or does it mean UK trails like (in Derbyshire anyway) the High Peak Trail, Monsal Trail, Tissington Trail etc ( old railway lines that are now flat shared footpaths/cycleways).
It seems an odd name to use.
Here in Western USA (most likely the rest) and Canada trail riding is a general term covering pretty much any off-road riding beyond a dirt road, fire road, after that you'll hear more definitive descriptions:
single-track, technical, gnarly, rock garden, flow trail to describe the physical nature of the trail. Often a trail may have further classification as Black Diamond (typically bike park DH or more challenging skill level trails), Blue (medium skill/difficulty level), Green (beginning skill)
 

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Here in Western USA (most likely the rest) and Canada trail riding is a general term covering pretty much any off-road riding beyond a dirt road, fire road, after that you'll hear more definitive descriptions:
single-track, technical, gnarly, rock garden, flow trail to describe the physical nature of the trail. Often a trail may have further classification as Black Diamond (typically bike park DH or more challenging skill level trails), Blue (medium skill/difficulty level), Green (beginning skill)
Never heard the term “fire road” until I started reading this forum. I might consider our gravel roads as logging roads. Then there’s skidder trails which can branch off. BC Hydro cut a right-away across this mountain part way up. But then everything else is made by hikers, backpackers, and mtb’ers.

Since our trails are not marked, a map or an app like TrailForks, is necessary.
Single track, rock garden, loamy, flow etc. are usually designated as Double Black Diamond, Black Diamond, Blue or Green. One trail is a Red.🤷‍♂️.
There’s something for everyone.
 

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Never heard the term “fire road” until I started reading this forum. I might consider our gravel roads as logging roads. Then there’s skidder trails which can branch off. BC Hydro cut a right-away across this mountain part way up. But then everything else is made by hikers, backpackers, and mtb’ers.

Since our trails are not marked, a map or an app like TrailForks, is necessary.
Single track, rock garden, loamy, flow etc. are usually designated as Double Black Diamond, Black Diamond, Blue or Green. One trail is a Red.🤷‍♂️.
There’s something for everyone.
FYI, our fire roads are used as fire-breaks and access points to get fire fighting equipment into the mountains, forests since we are prone to annual fire seasons during our dry summer/fall seasons.
 

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FYI, our fire roads are used as fire-breaks and access points to get fire fighting equipment into the mountains, forests since we are prone to annual fire seasons during our dry summer/fall seasons.
Yes, Fire Breaks. That’s the term I was looking for. I suppose logging roads could be considered fire breaks. We relied on the Mars Bombers based in Port Alberni, and fire crews. During a forest fire my job was to fill the Bambi buckets for the helicopters. Long long days those were.
 

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Can someone please explain to me what 'trail riding' is? Is it a US term for what we Brits would call bridleways and green lanes (p.r.o.w) ....or does it mean MTB trail parks, or does it mean UK trails like (in Derbyshire anyway) the High Peak Trail, Monsal Trail, Tissington Trail etc ( old railway lines that are now flat shared footpaths/cycleways).
It seems an odd name to use.
Trail riding is mountain biking on singletrack trails. Trails such as hiking trails or multiple use trails. Anything from 4wheel drive roads, smooth singletrack flow trails, to rougher, technical, rocky hiking trails. Trail riding often has a lot of climbing. So, a trail bike needs to climb adequately, and sometimes handle technical descents. A trail bike is a category that may be any bike within a range from a sturdy cross-country bike to a light enduro bike in makeup.
 

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Trail riding is mountain biking on singletrack trails. Trails such as hiking trails or multiple use trails. Anything from 4wheel drive roads, smooth singletrack flow trails, to rougher, technical, rocky hiking trails. Trail riding often has a lot of climbing. So, a trail bike needs to climb adequately, and sometimes handle technical descents. A trail bike is a category that may be any bike within a range from a sturdy cross-country bike to a light enduro bike in makeup.
I give up, it's like something got 'lost in the pond' English Vs US English, eg ' hiking trails (paths and bridleways), multiple use trails (green lanes). For non UK residents a path (described as a footpath) is foot traffic only, usually interrupted by styles.. A bridleway , is for non motorised traffic, hikers, cyclists, and of course horses and beasts of burden (usually hundreds or even thousands of years old) and not interrupted by styles, a green lane...open to all traffic ( if your stupid), not for normal cars...farm vehicles and 4 x 4 s....car destroying unserfaced roads. Note: non are 'trails'.
 

Dax

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I give up, it's like something got 'lost in the pond' English Vs US English, eg ' hiking trails (paths and bridleways), multiple use trails (green lanes). For non UK residents a path (described as a footpath) is foot traffic only, usually interrupted by styles.. A bridleway , is for non motorised traffic, hikers, cyclists, and of course horses and beasts of burden (usually hundreds or even thousands of years old) and not interrupted by styles, a green lane...open to all traffic ( if your stupid), not for normal cars...farm vehicles and 4 x 4 s....car destroying unserfaced roads. Note: non are 'trails'.

Meanwhile the uk also has a lot of mtb trails that are none of the above, both official trails and unofficial (aka ‘off piste’).
 

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I give up, it's like something got 'lost in the pond' English Vs US English, eg ' hiking trails (paths and bridleways), multiple use trails (green lanes). For non UK residents a path (described as a footpath) is foot traffic only, usually interrupted by styles.. A bridleway , is for non motorised traffic, hikers, cyclists, and of course horses and beasts of burden (usually hundreds or even thousands of years old) and not interrupted by styles, a green lane...open to all traffic ( if your stupid), not for normal cars...farm vehicles and 4 x 4 s....car destroying unserfaced roads. Note: non are 'trails'.
In USA, a multiple use (non-motorized) trail is a singletrack (do they have singletrack in UK?) a narrow soft surface trail that usually allows foot traffic, mountain bike use, and equestrian such as horses and mules. A non-mechanized trail is one that allows foot traffic and equestrian traffic. But no mountain bikes. These are found in designated wilderness areas. And among other areas so restricted.
 
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Binhill1

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In USA, a multiple use (non-motorized) trail is a singletrack (do they have singletrack in UK?) a narrow soft surface trail that usually allows foot traffic, mountain bike use, and equestrian such as horses and mules. A non-mechanized trail is one that allows foot traffic and equestrian traffic. But no mountain bikes. These are found in designated wilderness areas. And among other areas so restricted.
I would call a single track in Scotland literally as it says room for a single bike you would struggle to find room to pass . It would be 2 feet wide roughly speaking and twisty . Single track only exists in mountain biking as far as I am aware in Scotland anyway never heard of a single track walking trail . Correct me if I'm wrong.
 

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I never ride Bike Parks and rarely trail centres so most of my riding is in local forests and the trails are made by a combination of animals and ad hoc trail builders.....then modified or destroyed by Forestry England etc...then re built:D. So any trail could be green at the top, blue in the middle, black in a couple of places.........and quite possibly if my mate is leading the way a bog at the bottom:ROFLMAO:.
 

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