I'd be surprised if the reviewer at MBR even wore it.
I've come off only a few times but in each instance it was on very easy ground. I once fell over and down a slope because the ground I put my foot on whilst inspecting the drop ahead was not ground at all but branches, gorse and moss and off I went down the slope leaving the bike on the trail.
I'm going to FOD tomorrow geared up a little more for winter than summer so I think I'll go FF as I can put the helmet on my pack and ride up the push up sans helmet. I have a Bell Super DH but I struggle to put the chin guard on with the helmet already on my head. Perhaps I need to practice this. Does anyone else have the same problem with this particular helmet?
Ditto. Unless it is very warm i've found it suprisingly comfortable to wear and personally i feel a lot safer with it on. The added benefit being since buying it i have been to some parks that require a full face.
Initially i was put off by the cost but the wife made a very compelling argument in terms of the cost which it is potentially avoiding.
Or when you have to spitthe only time I really notice that I have Full Face is trying to take a drink from my bottle.
After a few close calls where I just nicked my face during a fall. Thought that it was a good warning that Full Face makes sense for trail riding! I've been using a Kali Invader for the last few months and the only time I really notice that I have Full Face is trying to take a drink from my bottle. Cool enough to ride in 90 degree weather, especially with the higher speeds on an View attachment 42095 eeb.
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That's an impressive looking lid. Is there any chance of you posting a pic of the inside? I'd like to see where the blue bubble wrap stuff is located ( sprogette 1 has a leatt with their own blue bubble stuff but it does nasty things to my scabby old man sun spots)
I looked at it at one point - there's a picture of the inside here ... fits some people great, others - it's uncomfortable. Great warranty though !
Which Enduro Full face ? Fox ProFrame or Endura MT500 Full - Other ?
Did you take it out the box first before trying it on. should have gone for the Fox. Heres what you could have won. ?www.emtbforums.com
No need! Read that first line back to yourself ??I'm sorry to say that you sir sound like a complete idiot! Take some responsibility for your own safety !!
On the trails out here, they call them Fuck Faces
Looks can be deceiving with lots going on under the shell. TLD Stage meets a stringent downhill standard. Possibly other lightweight ff models do too. ASTM's Downhill Mountain Bike Racing helmet standardI have been reading reviews with interest. Understandably most comment relate to comfort and airflow but very few in terms of their ability to withstand impact. Some of the Enduro FF Helmets have more air vents than helmet material! I wonder just how strong they are/can be. I know there are various standards and tests but likewise there are YT videos of top ranking helmets practically split in two after fairly mild hits. I like the idea of more protection but it seems to me a half face with a more substantial build could be better protection from concussion, skull ,fractures etc, which are, after all, more life threatening than facial injury. When you look at the weight and construction of DH helmets they inspire more confidence that they can withstand a decent hit. Maybe the reduced airflow is a price worth paying?? For me the jury is still out on the "Enduro" FF helmets.
I have been reading reviews with interest. Understandably most comment relate to comfort and airflow but very few in terms of their ability to withstand impact. Some of the Enduro FF Helmets have more air vents than helmet material! I wonder just how strong they are/can be. I know there are various standards and tests but likewise there are YT videos of top ranking helmets practically split in two after fairly mild hits. I like the idea of more protection but it seems to me a half face with a more substantial build could be better protection from concussion, skull ,fractures etc, which are, after all, more life threatening than facial injury. When you look at the weight and construction of DH helmets they inspire more confidence that they can withstand a decent hit. Maybe the reduced airflow is a price worth paying?? For me the jury is still out on the "Enduro" FF helmets.
That is a very sensible approach! When I started riding mtb in 2008, I took the view that as a complete newbie I would look like I had a severe case of "all the gear and no idea" if I wore loads of protective kit other than a basic helmet. But pain and scars are a good teacher. I wonder why I cared what others thought? But for sure I wouldn't have known what to buy.I started eMTB riding seriously at age 63 this year. I have progressively added more protection after crashes. I finally switched to a Troy Lee full face helmet and have been real happy with it and it has already saved my face once. Also using knee guards and the POC mesh armor shirt that has elbow, shoulder, back, and chest guards-that was after I bruised my sternum. Usually I am a just-in-case type, but this time I am more like a I-don't-want-to-feel-that-pain-again person.
your point a bout the flexibility in an impact of the chin bar is a good one.....I have seen video of the impact testing. I am happy with the chin bar aspect but certainly not happy with the outer shell splitting. Most of the helmets still mostly just consist of a plastic outer shell ( fibreglass or carbon/kevlar on the most expensive) and a EPS inner shell. EPS does nothing to spread a point impact however. I recently suffered a crash on rocks and my helmet took an impact on the temple. The outer skin split slightly...fair enough it was only about 25mm and from the leading edge of the helmet. Even so my head was cut directly under the impact zone. I binned the helmet which pained me because I really liked it ( Giro). I bought the Endura MT500 with Koroyd to replace it thinking the Koroyd would do a better job of spreading an impact than EPS.............fortunately yet to be tested!!Think of a helmet like the crumple zones in a car - if it absorbs energy and splits on impact, is that really a problem? Only if you expect to bounce down the trail with multiple impacts.....
The full face lids have to meet the same basic safety standards as the open face. The only difference is the VOLUNTARY down hill racing certification , which measures deflection of the chin bar IF FITTED - so ironically you can have an identical open face dh certified lid that isn't down hill certified with the added protection of a chin crumple zone!!! When someone can show me scientific data indicating the dh certification has any relevance to safety I'll shut up on this, but in the meantime I'm happy to hope that the helmet designers at reputable companies like bell / leatt are building non dh certified full faces for a rational reason - lighter, flexible chin bars with potentially less risk of neck injury, perhaps?
Now, add in primary protection. I suspect a lighter, cooler helmet is less likely to impair my concentration so I'm less likely to crash.
For me, the jury is out on old fashioned heavy motorbike style lids for use when mountain bike riding. Meanwhile, I'm wearing a bell air Rather than bell dh - lighter, cooler, but no sticker for racing
your point a bout the flexibility in an impact of the chin bar is a good one.....I have seen video of the impact testing. I am happy with the chin bar aspect but certainly not happy with the outer shell splitting. Most of the helmets still mostly just consist of a plastic outer shell ( fibreglass or carbon/kevlar on the most expensive) and a EPS inner shell. EPS does nothing to spread a point impact however. I recently suffered a crash on rocks and my helmet took an impact on the temple. The outer skin split slightly...fair enough it was only about 25mm and from the leading edge of the helmet. Even so my head was cut directly under the impact zone. I binned the helmet which pained me because I really liked it ( Giro). I bought the Endura MT500 with Koroyd to replace it thinking the Koroyd would do a better job of spreading an impact than EPS.............fortunately yet to be tested!!
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