I have the Shimano GR7 in black/red. I like it, especially the elastic cuff around the ankle that stops sand/dirt getting in, i hate that feeling so much when theres crap in your socks.
I believe the 5tens I have are Freerider but I can't find an image on line of the mid version I have only the low version. Possibly now discontinued and replaced with trailcross. Image of low version below. I am normally a size 8-8.5 but even though I got these in a nine they are a narrow fit so if it is cold wearing thicker socks is useless as there is no insulating air gap apart from the taking ages to dry scenario.Thanks mate, me and a friend just spent a few hours trying to hunt five tens down...I did noticed the freerider pro have the best grips of the five tens we saw,even compared with the normal freerider, the profile is wider and just grips so much better, the pins just fall into place instantly but grip the same.
TBH I was looking for trailcross pro mid or impact pro mids but cant find them in the shops at all......I've been seriously considering using Approach and Mountain Bike Shoe Repairs and Resoles | LSR to convert goretex hiking boots into mtb boots as you can get goretex hiking boots for less than £100 and probably have a higher grade shoe overall thats waterproof.
But, your info is really great and I'll try to order some of the ones your recommending, its easy to test the grip I found walking around with a pedal and using the floor!
ps how did you get the five ten leather? Reason I was looking at trailcross was to get a better grip off the bike...
I am usually an 8-8.5 depending on make of shoe. With the 5tens even a 9 is tight. With the Vaude boots I ordered a size 9 based on my experience with the 5tens and there is plenty of room for thicker socks or sock liner then sealskins for the really wet and cold rides. I would say go up at least half to 1 full size from your normal size. Wearing them over the past few months with normal socks the feet do not move around so they can be used all year round.Could I trouble you for a sizing recommendation, I'm 10.5 /10.7 heel to toe on the Vaude
Interesting although I have superstar evo one 1 bike and pedal innovations pedal on other and do not find any difference in grip with Vaude even though platform size and pin placement and size is different on both pedalsI just made an interesting discovering with regards to grip, View attachment 43005
on the left is a Chester pedel the right a DMR, I was out yesterday and a chap offered a deal on the DMR so I bought it thinking I’d send the Chester back (btw this is the pedel ‘fooker’ stole the design from and built a cheaper copy of, don’t buy fooker would be my advice)
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So this is the Shimano GR9
I place the DMR to the sole and it didn’t grip at all, I’d have to push in to make that happen and spread the profile around but the Chester just sunk in nicely....
Ive watched countless reviews on all shoes now with the bench mark being five tens and at times they dismiss alternatives. Maybe it’s just that actually non dotty profiles need ‘compatible’ pedals/pins. If I’m right here then be nice to see reviewers test the shoes with the right pins at least.
The GR9 with the Chester is incredibly grippy, as tight as the five tens but I’d have to test on the bike to know for sure.....with the DMR pins being thicker it feels just awful!
Might be the vaude groves are wide enough for both? Could you test to see if the just slot in by hand without needing force? I could be wrong and the pins just push in ‘eventually’ with force, maybe even work out better somehow.Interesting although I have superstar evo one 1 bike and pedal innovations pedal on other and do not find any difference in grip with Vaude even though platform size and pin placement and size is different on both pedals
Never considered the shoe pedal interaction without bodyweight pressure and movement as never really thought why I should .Might be the vaude groves are wide enough for both? Could you test to see if the just slot in by hand without needing force? I could be wrong and the pins just push in ‘eventually’ with force, maybe even work out better somehow.
Im curious if this is actually important or just smoke ?
Awesome cheersNever considered the shoe pedal interaction without bodyweight pressure and movement as never really thought why I should .
So placed 5ten on both pedals and shoe slips around easily, apply pressure and it sticks.
Placed Vaude on both pedals and on the pedalling innovations large platform sticks like glue, pins just slot into spaces on tread. On the Superstar Nano Evo slight movement but again apply some pressure and foot not going anywhere.
This could develop into a deep hole as factors such as pedal design whether convex or concave both have a different effect on shoe contact.
This is most in depth pedal review I have come across Vital MTB Face Off: The Best Flat Pedals
While this youtube video actually goes into pedal design and shoe grip
Some shoes definitely play better with some pedals, I have a fair few shoes, one of my favourites being some Spesh 2fo's in terms of comfort, but they are not the grippiest, and only really work well on a very concave pedal with narrow pins - they are crap on a set of One Ups for example, the sole is quite stiff so you need a pedal with a proper concave to get them to settle in to the pins.
I find it doesn't matter what the pedal shape is, if it has stubby pins I dont like it, I want smaller diameter longer pins.
Part of what makes the One-Up pedals so good, despite them going against conventional thinking design wise, is the pins are like daggers. You can see in the attached picture the tip of the pin is almost like a flat head screwdriver/bradawl
I have tried so many pedals now (I am a pedal whore) but I keep going back to HT, they have the basic shape nailed, and the pins spot on. Currently riding these HT ANS08 Leap having previously used the ANS01. The best pedal I have, slightly bigger body than the ANS01 and they are just right, grip well with all my shoes, lovely shape that locates the shoe well (some pedals only feel right if you have feet in an exact position, e.g for me Burgtec's) and not too chunky for pedal strikes etc. They are one of the more obscure pedals in HT's line up and took me a while to track some down.
HT
www.ht-components.com
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Is that auto correct and it was "Got offered a Constipated Ride for free last week" ?Got offered a pair of Ride Concepts for free last week
I have the HT plastic pedals on one bike and they are on of my favourite pedals, pretty much perfect and cheap to boot - the reason I don’t he’s them on my EMTB is I am a tart and the alloy ones colour match the bike better ?before I return my current pedals and get new could you check this to see if you’ve these too? Best mountain bike flat pedals for 2020: metal and plastic - MBR
Or bergtec mk5s my local shop swear by.
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This is all because not a single site can be assed to run a tape measure and just give accurate measures like I did earlier on in the dimension bit I posted, if we’re keeping under 1/2 inch then it would be too easy to order only one pair! Okay I’ll open a shoe store next!
Like that, he like, it’s a boot! There’s pedals, fkin ride goddamit!!!
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Though I suspect there might be several members who have more shoes than you ... How come your gearzilla channel isn't full of shoe reviews ? Do you have ugly feet ?
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