Someone nicked my bike. Help me choose a new one? - I need HUGE (really)

[Tetsugaku]

Yeah, angry, etc. Has passed now though

Had: 2018 Turbo Levo. XL

Needs:

- big enough for my 6'7" / 2.01M frame
- Suitable for 50K per day commute entirely on roads n paths
- Still be fun to ride over the south downs
- £2.5-3K I supose

Have looked at:
Straight 2019 replacement
Turbo Vado
Cube Cross Hybrid
Canyon Neuronn 6.0

Ideas ?!?! Cheers gang

(No, I had no insurance, yes I will in the future. No I had no tracker, yes I will.....)

 

[33red]

Without a car i often pedal 12 kms to the trails(some times more) play there 1-3 hours than pedal back. You might look at Haibike with Yamaha or Giant also with Yamaha. My 500Wh is never empty even after 4 hrs. You might like Maxxis Rekons i love the 2.8 on 40 mm. I have a 2017 but to give you an idea you might check the link https://winora-group.com/manuals/2017/specs/HAI_sduro_specs/HAI_SDURO_hardseven_60.pdf

 

[atcspaul]

If for commuting I would get the Vado, They are really comfortable, I have a 2019 levo which I love but I ride trails also

 

[R120]

I would be tempted by one of the new Mondraker hardtails that are coming out. There are two models, one with the new Bosch motor with a 630wh battery which is removable, and one with the Shimano E8000 motor that has a non removable 630wh battery, and also a removable 360wh piggy back battery to extend the range.

I would definitely get a 29'r whatever you go for

Being Mondrakers the XL sizes are big.

Mondraker Thundra R 29" Bike 2020

Mondraker Prime 29" Bike 2020

 

[Tetsugaku]

Sorry I never got the notification of replies

Have seen this one - Neuron:ON 6.0

Which seems to have a bigger cockpit than my Specialised which is pretty handy

 

[Tetsugaku]

I would be tempted by one of the new Mondraker hardtails that are coming out. There are two models, one with the new Bosch motor with a 630wh battery which is removable, and one with the Shimano E8000 motor that has a non removable 630wh battery, and also a removable 360wh piggy back battery to extend the range.

I would definitely get a 29'r whatever you go for

Being Mondrakers the XL sizes are big.

Mondraker Thundra R 29" Bike 2020

Mondraker Prime 29" Bike 2020

I'd worry a bit about a non removable batter, as it forces you to charge with the bike, which is pretty tricky anywhere but home?

 

[R120]

Yes I would agree with you, for me personally a removable battery is essential

 

[Skrix]

I am 198cm myself and I would go for mondraker any day over the canyon.
the reach on the Canyon is quite short so you would have to run a 50mm+ stem
the reach on the Neuron XL is smaller than size L mondraker

 

[Gary]

Sorry to hear about your loss

XL levo isn't very big (I rode one yesterday)
Pretty much every brand has a current year bike that long or longer.

Take a look at the Vitus ESentier -
I have a M and even that is pretty long for a hardtail. XL is going to be massive.
I'm commuting about 100miles a week on mine. (part on part off road). some days it's 20miles. some 30 others 40 (I charge the battery at work for the longer commute but wouldn't need to if I rode more conservatively)
it'll do 50km in boost at 20-22mph avg. (not very hilly miles though ~2000ft)
removable battery
light (for an Eeb)
plenty room for mudguards
will take a 38T front ring. (might even squeeze a 40 in there)
Decent workhorse groupset (Deore 10 speed drivetrain) and 4pot shimano brakes
finishing kit is decent. Nukeproof/Brand-X
Wheels are decent - novatec/WTB


Downers:
the E7000 motor is a little gutless compared to the E8000
It's pretty horrible (proper) off road as it's heavy (44lb) and dead like all E-hardtails. (stays too long too)
Recon fork is pretty basic
203mm rear disc is overkill
Stem was a cheap ugly vitus 50mm job. (I switched to a 35mm stem El Guapo anyway - same stem as the Nukeproof Neutron but much cheaper)
Tyres are too heavy/slow rolling for commuting - but easy to sell on being Maxxis
and I miss the E8000 coloured mode controller and assist bar.

platinum wiggle discount made mine under £2k

 

[Tetsugaku]

I am 198cm myself and I would go for mondraker any day over the canyon.
the reach on the Canyon is quite short so you would have to run a 50mm+ stem
the reach on the Neuron XL is smaller than size L mondraker

Just the sort of thing I need to know - seems mad tricky to find out what the biggest bikes are, I tend to shop on what fits, before any other considerations!

 

[Skrix]

Just the sort of thing I need to know - seems mad tricky to find out what the biggest bikes are, I tend to shop on what fits, before any other considerations!

the reach numbers quite easy to find on the manufacturer's website.
Canyon Reach: 475mm Mondraker: 505mm
if you have Mondraker dealer around you i would recommend to go try one out.

 

[R120]

Also might be worth looking at the new Thok Mig ST, its a short travel 29'r running the Shimano Steps system - they do an xl but dont know if it would be XL enough for you. As a bike to commute on, but throw in a bit of offloading too, I reckon a good bet. Doesn't come with a dropper post but you could add one

https://www.thokbikes.com/en/thok-mig-st-ebike

 

[Gary]

seems mad tricky to find out what the biggest bikes are

Pretty much every bike manufacturer prints geometry charts
pay attention to reach and wheelbase numbers and compare those.
Long chainstays make a bike more of a chore to raise the front (if that matters to you) but more planted climbing and fast descending.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Sorry to hear about your loss

XL levo isn't very big (I rode one yesterday)
Pretty much every brand has a current year bike that long or longer.

Take a look at the Vitus ESentier -
I have a M and even that is pretty long for a hardtail. XL is going to be massive.
I'm commuting about 100miles a week on mine. (part on part off road). some days it's 20miles. some 30 others 40 (I charge the battery at work for the longer commute but wouldn't need to if I rode more conservatively)
it'll do 50km in boost at 20-22mph avg. (not very hilly miles though ~2000ft)
removable battery
light (for an Eeb)
plenty room for mudguards
will take a 38T front ring. (might even squeeze a 40 in there)
Decent workhorse groupset (Deore 10 speed drivetrain) and 4pot shimano brakes
finishing kit is decent. Nukeproof/Brand-X
Wheels are decent - novatec/WTB


Downers:
the E7000 motor is a little gutless compared to the E8000
It's pretty horrible (proper) off road as it's heavy (44lb) and dead like all E-hardtails. (stays too long too)
Recon fork is pretty basic
203mm rear disc is overkill
Stem was a cheap ugly vitus 50mm job. (I switched to a 35mm stem El Guapo anyway - same stem as the Nukeproof Neutron but much cheaper)
Tyres are too heavy/slow rolling for commuting - but easy to sell on being Maxxis
and I miss the E8000 coloured mode controller and assist bar.

platinum wiggle discount made mine under £2k

I also thought about the E-Sentier, but looked at the Geo chart. It seems that the XL reach isn't that long at all, less than the XL Levo in fact.

 

[R120]

Thats one of the reasons I suggest the Mondraker Prime 29, as it has a 505mm reach in XL. Also removable battery and water bottle mounts.

 

[Gary]

Ps. (and Back ON topic)
If you don't have wiggle platinum discount (or want to spend to get it)
CRC just reduced the E Sentier to £1999
Vitus E-Sentier Electric MTB (Deore 1x10) 2019 | Chain Reaction Cycles

That's not quite as cheap as the final price at wiggle when they up platinum discount to 17% BTW

 

[33red]

Pretty much every bike manufacturer prints geometry charts
pay attention to reach and wheelbase numbers and compare those.
Long chainstays make a bike more of a chore to raise the front (if that matters to you) but more planted climbing and fast descending.

It can be surprising. My chain stay is 460 and i can pop my front on demand. Maybe it is due to how i set up my cockpit? But i would not go any longer than 460. Marin offers 2 HT(Shimano) but i love my Yamaha Haibike 120 HT with 40 rims and 3.0/2.8x27.5, lots of grip for climbing.

 

[Gary]

My chain stay is 460 and i can pop my front on demand.

Just so we're reading from the same page:
pop the front while pedalling?
or coasting?
Sat down?
or stood up?
Raise the front to balance point easily ?
or just pop it up a little to clear obsticles?

Yes. cockpit set up makes a difference. as does front centre, BB height, suspension settings and rider height/size/weight.

and just to confirm I hate the extra effort long heavy bikes take to pop up to balance point (actual) manualling. Long chainstays never help.
I'm used to sub 400mm stays on my non Eeb hardtails though.

 

[33red]

Just so we're reading from the same page:
pop the front while pedalling?
or coasting?
Sat down?
or stood up?
Raise the front to balance point easily ?
or just pop it up a little to clear obsticles?

Yes. cockpit set up makes a difference. as does front centre, BB height, suspension settings and rider height/size/weight.

and just to confirm I hate the extra effort long heavy bikes take to pop up to balance point (actual) manualling. Long chainstays never help.
I'm used to sub 400mm stays on my non Eeb hardtails though.

just pop it up a little to clear obsticles, i am not strong but i would say 10 cm most the times, sometimes 15-20 or by mistake too much to deal with sidewalk, logs, rocks. I demoed shorter ones like Norco and liked it for tight turns. Also my Yamaha has instant power so pushing on any pedal the assist helps. It is a bit like having 2 throttles.

 

[Gary]

Yeah. long heavy bike with long chainstays are horrendous to properly pop onto the rear wheel. Any bike is easy to pop the wheel 10cm off the deck. you can do it by pre-loading the fork and bending your arms without even body weight shifting at all.
To raise the front wheel properly (not that what you're doing is wrong) involves a much more dynamic body movement using arms, legs, shoulders, core, lower back, hips, knees and feet (and doesn't involve ANY chain input at all).

 

[Gary]

convert it to miles.

it's not actually all that far

 

[Jared74cornwall]

Yeah, angry, etc. Has passed now though

Had: 2018 Turbo Levo. XL

Needs:

- big enough for my 6'7" / 2.01M frame
- Suitable for 50K per day commute entirely on roads n paths
- Still be fun to ride over the south downs
- £2.5-3K I supose

Have looked at:
Straight 2019 replacement
Turbo Vado
Cube Cross Hybrid
Canyon Neuronn 6.0

Ideas ?!?! Cheers gang

(No, I had no insurance, yes I will in the future. No I had no tracker, yes I will.....)

Sorry to hear that mate thieving c##ts.. im also 6ft 7 and have a 23inch cube acid hybrid 29er brilliant bike hilds my weight and size well good luck