some issues with derestricted brose mag
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desmoracing
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Sorry but this is all Bullshit that Bikes are breaking faster at 35-or 40kmh, first the 25kmh limit is a government case limit NOT a Bike Manufactured chosen limit,
1. you can buy a Bosch S Pedelec with the SAME EXACT motor as the normal BOSCH 25kmh limit non S-Pedelec and BOSCH gives you the same warranty on the S-Pedelec.
2. THE SAME EXACT Shimano, BROSE, BOSCH Motors are in all US Bikes and they can go 20mpg=32kmh and they don't break any more than our EU 25kmh Versions. the 25kmh limit is PURELEY a Government/Insurance THEME! if u use for example BLevo on Specialized bikes and analyse the Strain you put on the engine (ie. Motor & Battery Temp.) you will see that the max Strain is when you go Turbo up a mountain for more than 1h (Motor Temp. hitting 75C) going 40kmh turbo on the a level Surface is definitely LESS hard on the Motor than going steep uphills in Turbo for a prolonged time.
3. EVERY manufacturer has a Heat Management power derating Algorithm in the engine (i.e. post a certain Temp. the Engine & battery will give you less Power)
The EU 25kmh limit is a total stupid political decision, if they would have gone with the 20mph restrict as in the US much less people will tune their engines past 25kmh, 32kmh is about the sweet spot where you don't really need assistance anymore, 25kmh is just a pain as it is on the limit where you could still pedal but you hit the wall.
1. you can buy a Bosch S Pedelec with the SAME EXACT motor as the normal BOSCH 25kmh limit non S-Pedelec and BOSCH gives you the same warranty on the S-Pedelec.
2. THE SAME EXACT Shimano, BROSE, BOSCH Motors are in all US Bikes and they can go 20mpg=32kmh and they don't break any more than our EU 25kmh Versions. the 25kmh limit is PURELEY a Government/Insurance THEME! if u use for example BLevo on Specialized bikes and analyse the Strain you put on the engine (ie. Motor & Battery Temp.) you will see that the max Strain is when you go Turbo up a mountain for more than 1h (Motor Temp. hitting 75C) going 40kmh turbo on the a level Surface is definitely LESS hard on the Motor than going steep uphills in Turbo for a prolonged time.
3. EVERY manufacturer has a Heat Management power derating Algorithm in the engine (i.e. post a certain Temp. the Engine & battery will give you less Power)
The EU 25kmh limit is a total stupid political decision, if they would have gone with the 20mph restrict as in the US much less people will tune their engines past 25kmh, 32kmh is about the sweet spot where you don't really need assistance anymore, 25kmh is just a pain as it is on the limit where you could still pedal but you hit the wall.
desmoracing
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BOSCH S-Pedelcs have a speed limit at 45kmh for your info
incredibile trovagli subito un ottimo dottore ma uno bravo davvero!!!!
Con una tuta di gomma .. una grande tuta di gomma ..
recently at an e festival and and guy came into the Specialized tent with a 2019 Levo problem , tech put it straight on the laptop showed it had been fiddled ,tech responded sorry , i really am but l can't work on it you'll have to take back to the person or dealer that derestricted it sorry. The tech was polite but firm.
This thread should be deleted just for the toxic athmosphere and misinformation thats being given.
OP wants to know if theres more friction heat from pedalling at 40km/h than 25km/h.
He does not mention going uphill, downhill or flat so the answer is Yes, this is physics.
@desmoracing
Your comparisons are invalid,
Why are you comparing going uphill 25km/h vs going 40km/h on the flats ?
I want to go 40km/h in turbo up a mountain for an hour
with a Bosch CX line manufacturer approved 45km/h motor.
OP wants to know if theres more friction heat from pedalling at 40km/h than 25km/h.
He does not mention going uphill, downhill or flat so the answer is Yes, this is physics.
@desmoracing
Your comparisons are invalid,
Why are you comparing going uphill 25km/h vs going 40km/h on the flats ?
I want to go 40km/h in turbo up a mountain for an hour
with a Bosch CX line manufacturer approved 45km/h motor.
32 km/h is reasonable & not outside of design limitations. Although going fast on the Kenevo is much better pointing downhill no motor.
So what did I miss?
Derestriction is a very sensitive subject and it has many passionate supporters and detractors.
It’s been debated to death on this forum by myself and others.
In the US, our 20mph limit is the only thing giving us trail access, which is a much more sensitive subject than derestriction for US riders.
I would much rather have a 25mph limit just for the flat sections alone.
If you need to go faster than that, I am not here to tell you how to live your life, but it could prove detrimental to opening up trails to Ebikes or it could help close more trails to Ebikes.
We are called cheaters already. But Now there are cheaters among the cheaters. Which just makes things more difficult in an already difficult situation.
I would rather have Emtbs go away and still be able to ride a regular Mtb, than have every Emtb and Mtb banned from the trails.
I think the 25kph rule in Europe is not realistic. But maybe if they went 32kph it would create more conflicts and land access issues that we have in the USA. Of course we have a president who told us Californians that we could prevent forrest fires by raking leaves.
At the end of the day, if you derestrict your bike, it will void your warranty.
Plain and simple
Here are the facts:
It will void your warranty.
Every manufacturer can detect tampering
Every manufacturer has issues with their motors, no one is immune. I have seen a motor go bad on its maiden voyage home. I have a battery that has no charge cycles left and over 7000 miles on it and it still charges up like new.
They all can go bad at any given time.
UK mud killed a lot of Specialized motors
California dust has killed a lot of E8000s
I see motor failures from everyone.
About 80% of the Specialized motor failures I have seen, the users were using BLEvo.
I use BLEvo and haven’t had any problems myself, but I have never changed the top speed.
Any Specialized dealer can set the wheel circumference to 2100mm which will give you about 23-24mph depending on the gearing and it won’t void the warranty.
Enough shit slinging already, it just doesn’t reflect well on this forum, it’s users or it’s founder.
If we devolve into the Pinkbike comments section and forum, we will never be respected or taken seriously by other cyclists.
We’ll be what they say we are a bunch of lazy, fat, middle aged cheaters with our derestricted mopeds.
Derestriction is a very sensitive subject and it has many passionate supporters and detractors.
It’s been debated to death on this forum by myself and others.
In the US, our 20mph limit is the only thing giving us trail access, which is a much more sensitive subject than derestriction for US riders.
I would much rather have a 25mph limit just for the flat sections alone.
If you need to go faster than that, I am not here to tell you how to live your life, but it could prove detrimental to opening up trails to Ebikes or it could help close more trails to Ebikes.
We are called cheaters already. But Now there are cheaters among the cheaters. Which just makes things more difficult in an already difficult situation.
I would rather have Emtbs go away and still be able to ride a regular Mtb, than have every Emtb and Mtb banned from the trails.
I think the 25kph rule in Europe is not realistic. But maybe if they went 32kph it would create more conflicts and land access issues that we have in the USA. Of course we have a president who told us Californians that we could prevent forrest fires by raking leaves.
At the end of the day, if you derestrict your bike, it will void your warranty.
Plain and simple
Here are the facts:
It will void your warranty.
Every manufacturer can detect tampering
Every manufacturer has issues with their motors, no one is immune. I have seen a motor go bad on its maiden voyage home. I have a battery that has no charge cycles left and over 7000 miles on it and it still charges up like new.
They all can go bad at any given time.
UK mud killed a lot of Specialized motors
California dust has killed a lot of E8000s
I see motor failures from everyone.
About 80% of the Specialized motor failures I have seen, the users were using BLEvo.
I use BLEvo and haven’t had any problems myself, but I have never changed the top speed.
Any Specialized dealer can set the wheel circumference to 2100mm which will give you about 23-24mph depending on the gearing and it won’t void the warranty.
Enough shit slinging already, it just doesn’t reflect well on this forum, it’s users or it’s founder.
If we devolve into the Pinkbike comments section and forum, we will never be respected or taken seriously by other cyclists.
We’ll be what they say we are a bunch of lazy, fat, middle aged cheaters with our derestricted mopeds.
Webike
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Al Boneta summarized well:
"Enough shit slinging already, it just doesn’t reflect well on this forum, it’s users or it’s founder".
That's a reasonable suggestion...
"Enough shit slinging already, it just doesn’t reflect well on this forum, it’s users or it’s founder".
That's a reasonable suggestion...
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Lots of talk about invalid warranties from de restricting.
I’m sure that’s the official stance but it’s not the case local to me, I know a number of de restricted Shimano and Brose motors that have been replaced. I guess it depends on your dealer.
I ride my MTB 90% of the time, but for that 10% on my eMTB am I tearing up the land threatening access, no, I’m just shuttling or getting a bit more flow on the pedalling sections.
However, I completely get that we don’t want a bunch of fat middle age men flying about the countryside at 40mph, I just don’t see that happening, yet. It’s a fairly brutal sport and I don’t think these people would last long.
I’m sure that’s the official stance but it’s not the case local to me, I know a number of de restricted Shimano and Brose motors that have been replaced. I guess it depends on your dealer.
I ride my MTB 90% of the time, but for that 10% on my eMTB am I tearing up the land threatening access, no, I’m just shuttling or getting a bit more flow on the pedalling sections.
However, I completely get that we don’t want a bunch of fat middle age men flying about the countryside at 40mph, I just don’t see that happening, yet. It’s a fairly brutal sport and I don’t think these people would last long.
I really think you need to extend a bit more patience and understanding to sheep lovers, it can't be easy to move out of the way when you're already on your knees.
That's a cuntish attitude and why I don't reciprocate on forums but I feel the need advise.
Take it as you will, just wind your neck in ...
net wurker
E*POWAH Master
Use internet AI to help you make a decision about derestricting.
Go here to Talk to Transformer and ask if "Should I de-restrict my e-bike?"
While you're there, ask it questions about wearing lady's underwear and other things of that nature, just for fun.
Talk to Transformer
Go here to Talk to Transformer and ask if "Should I de-restrict my e-bike?"
While you're there, ask it questions about wearing lady's underwear and other things of that nature, just for fun.
Talk to Transformer
net wurker
E*POWAH Master
Wow that is some seriously deep neural network> Thought I'd try some meta with no directive words on it, I'll try the derestrict & about wearing lady's underwear at a later stage:
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