Shimano range extender on a Yamaha

[Deacon]

I have recently got a Haibike all mountain 10, with the Yamaha PW-X3 motor.

Haibike advertised it as coming with a 750wh battery and optional 360wh range extender back when I pre ordered it 12 months ago.
Turns out on delivery of bike that the battery was 720wh, and the optional 360wh range extender is not available yet, and Haibike don't know when it will be.

I want to get a range extender somehow, as often need around 1000wh on old Bosch bike.
The frame has got a charge/battery port above the motor, which I believe is where Haibike plan to have the range extender plug in to.
and the battery will bolt on to the MRS rail system haibike use on the allmtn range.

The main 720wh battery on this bike is not a Yamaha branded battery, and uses a different plug/socket to all other Yamaha motors before.
the battery is made by Trendpower (also know as Simplo)
and on the battery I noticed it says "compatible with range extender battery"

So I did a lot of digging about online, and I have found a trendpower/Simplo range extender 360wh that
uses exactly the same plug/socket as my bike battery, and comes in a kit with the lead to plug the battery to frame port/socket.

Only snag is it's sold for a Mondraker bike with Shimano EP8 motor
after more reading online i find that Shimano and Yamaha seem to have switched battery suppliers to Trendpower/Simplo recently.

Does anyone think this will work?
or will there be software differences between shimano and Yamaha on the battery.

The 720wh battery is 21700 cells
so is the 360wh range extender
and both made by same manufacture

 

[Chris808]

i would like to know this also..

good Q Deacon

 

[Deacon]

I will find out soon as I ordered the 360wh Simplo range extender battery last night, probably take a little while to come as could only find stock in Italy.

I will report back once I get it with the results

 

[Deacon]

Battery kit came today, fitted it after work tonight.
Very close to shock, I need to double check it clears on full travel.
Is removing all the air best way to do that?

Not sure if it actually works or not yet, as no way to tell till I go on long ride, and hopefully find both batteries running down together.
I will test ride tomorrow after I've checked shock clearance

 

[Ambodave]

Thanks for update. Hope it works.

 

[Chris808]

yes i think so , remove the air - only if you have a pump though to put it back..
hope its got enough space pal and eager to hear its working..
yes thanks for update.. nice pics, its nice a clean. Took mine Llandegla last week it was awesome..

 

[Vladimir Havalda]

Hi, I'm trying to solve the same problem. I have a HAIBAIK Alltrail 7 with a Yamaha PW-X3 engine and a 720Wh frame battery. The original 360Wh extender is no longer available, and according to the manufacturer's response, there is a question as to whether it will be available at all. I am therefore trying to find a replacement. The solution you used looks really good. Can you please tell me if it works for you? If so, I would be very happy! I will try to attach photos where I tried to connect a 190Wh battery in parallel. Unfortunately, such a connection probably does not work, because after the ride the basic battery was almost discharged, while the additional battery remained fully charged.

 

[Vladimir Havalda]

Deacon, does your solution work please?
Thank’s for your help.
Vladimir

 

[Deacon]

Hi Vladimir
No not yet unfortunately.
I all connects up perfectly, but range extender battery won't lose any charge.

 

[Deacon]

I've read some stuff that suggested I need to connect to main 720wh battery, and turn on dual battery mode rather than charge port.
Norco bikes use same battery as Yamaha now, on Norco range extender the main tube battery needs connecting to a dongle at dealer to turn the function on.
Found a video on YouTube saying same thing, skip first 60 seconds of rubbish

 

[Chris808]

i have the Yamaha Diagnostic software but not connected it up yet and in the pdf's that come with it i do not see anything about turning on the Range extender in the s/w, i will continue to look into this..

https://raleigh.zendesk.com/hc/en-us

https://raleigh.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360014602097--Dealer-Diagnostic-Software-Information-for-EBike-Systems

google drive link for s/w

Edit: then i found this

YAMAHA e-Bike diagnostic software Ver.2

Found this I hope it helps someone.

www.emtbforums.com

i am thinking we need a new version of s/w for our Ebikes..

 

[Deacon]

i have the Yamaha Diagnostic software but not connected it up yet and in the pdf's that come with it i do not see anything about turning on the Range extender in the s/w, i will continue to look into this..

https://raleigh.zendesk.com/hc/en-us

https://raleigh.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360014602097--Dealer-Diagnostic-Software-Information-for-EBike-Systems

google drive link for s/w

Edit: then i found this

YAMAHA e-Bike diagnostic software Ver.2

Found this I hope it helps someone.

www.emtbforums.com

i am thinking we need a new version of s/w for our Ebikes..

I've got that software, it doesnt connect to the battery though.
When you try it fails to connect.
I believe this is because the 720wh tube battery isn't Yamaha branded anymore.
all previous Yamaha bikes had Yamaha branded batteries.
So yes needs new software, but probably not from Yamaha.
In that Norco video I posted, the guy on the right is holding a black dongle in his hand.
I've found that online, it's made by Simplo (same company that makes the 720wh battery, and 360wh range extender)

 

[Vladimir Havalda]

I've got that software, it doesnt connect to the battery though.
When you try it fails to connect.
I believe this is because the 720wh tube battery isn't Yamaha branded anymore.
all previous Yamaha bikes had Yamaha branded batteries.
So yes needs new software, but probably not from Yamaha.
In that Norco video I posted, the guy on the right is holding a black dongle in his hand.
I've found that online, it's made by Simplo (same company that makes the 720wh battery, and 360wh range extender)

yes, the 720 battery is the latest, which Yamaha doesn't even have on its official website. Likewise, there is not even a single line about the planned extender. I still see hope that we could move with it using a Norco dongle. If I understand it correctly, it is necessary to connect to the battery and make the change there. I am still very disappointed with the whole thing, because I bought the bike for Christmas with the fact that it has the latest motor from Yamaha and it is possible to use an extender as well... On the HAIBAIK website, it is therefore a matter of confusing the customer. I also wrote to them and wrote back that I can solve it the right way... In any case, it's lying to the customer from them. I have a medical handicap and I need more assistance and therefore more energy from the battery...

 

[Vladimir Havalda]

I've got that software, it doesnt connect to the battery though.
When you try it fails to connect.
I believe this is because the 720wh tube battery isn't Yamaha branded anymore.
all previous Yamaha bikes had Yamaha branded batteries.
So yes needs new software, but probably not from Yamaha.
In that Norco video I posted, the guy on the right is holding a black dongle in his hand.
I've found that online, it's made by Simplo (same company that makes the 720wh battery, and 360wh range extender)

Therefore, it is not a problem to connect the extender to older models with an X2 engine and a 630 battery. For example, this extender:

Kit Extender para motores Yamaha PW - Cilindro

Kit de batería adicional, Range Extender para e-bike con motores Yamaha PW-CE, PW-SE, PW-ST, PW-TE, PW-X y PW-X2. Montaje sencillo gracias al manual con explicaciones detalladas y fotografías. Datos: 252Wh - 1,3kg - Altura: 19cm - Diámetro 8,5cm 378Wh - 1,9kg - Altura: 26cm - Diámetro 8,5cm

www.volabike.com

montage video is here:

 

[Vladimir Havalda]

I found that the simplo batteries currently offered have the option of working with an extender

LEV High Power

We're provider of the perfect efficacy solution for an E-bikeThe mission for different extender range capacity or dynamic detection battery performance, we provide convenience solution to the customers.Enhance design flexibility with complex material optional, making battery lighter and...

www.simplo.com.tw

 

[Deacon]

I found that the simplo batteries currently offered have the option of working with an extender

https://www.simplo.com.tw/edcontent.php?lang=en&tb=5&id=352&cid=49[/URLURL

Yes I found that to, if you click ...w range extender to work via the charge plug.

 

[Deacon]

SIMPLO for linkage battery diagnostic tool | Messingschlager GmbH & Co. KG

SIMPLO for linkage battery diagnostic tool - ✓ Order now on Messingschlager.com!

www.messingschlager.com

and that is a link to a Simplo battery dongle, I don't think it is correct one for our battery though as connection plug looks different to what they use now, and it doesn't say if it contains any software with it

 

[Vladimir Havalda]

Yes I found that to, if you click ...w range extender to work via the charge plug.

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Deacan, can you send me link tou trendpower battery? I can not found it.

 

[Deacon]

360Wh Additional Battery For Thundra And Dusk Mondraker E-bike Protec

External additional 360 Wh battery for MondraKER Thundra and Dusk 2022. Compatibility: - Thundra 29 - Thundra X - Dusk R E-bike Protections, Battery Protections, Price 57

www.ridewill.it

 

[Deacon]

I've had confirmation from Haibike Germany that the Yamaha PW-X3 Allmtn bikes with MRS system will be getting a range extender.
It won't be available till August this year in Germany.
UK Haibike dealers wont be getting it till 2024

and I found a couple of websites now taking pre orders for it

XLC Range Extender MR-S18 - 360 Wh for Yamaha e-bike battery

With the Yamaha Range Extender 360 Wh , you have an additional battery and thus even more range on every ride right on your e-bike. The Range…

www.ebike24.com

the link above is just for the Battery.
There is 2 different fitting kits, depending on bike type. which have to be ordered separately

Yamaha Range Extender Installation Kit

With the Yamaha Range Extender Installation Kit you connect the Yamaha Range Extender 360Wh to the drive system of your e-bike. The Yamaha…

www.ebike24.com

 

[Vladimir Havalda]

I've had confirmation from Haibike Germany that the Yamaha PW-X3 Allmtn bikes with MRS system will be getting a range extender.
It won't be available till August this year in Germany.
UK Haibike dealers wont be getting it till 2024

and I found a couple of websites now taking pre orders for it

XLC Range Extender MR-S18 - 360 Wh for Yamaha e-bike battery

With the Yamaha Range Extender 360 Wh , you have an additional battery and thus even more range on every ride right on your e-bike. The Range…

www.ebike24.com

the link above is just for the Battery.
There is 2 different fitting kits, depending on bike type. which have to be ordered separately

Yamaha Range Extender Installation Kit

With the Yamaha Range Extender Installation Kit you connect the Yamaha Range Extender 360Wh to the drive system of your e-bike. The Yamaha…

www.ebike24.com

Deacon,
that's fantastic news! I am very glad that there is a light at the end of the tunnel. And thanks to this forum and you, I can see it too! You are truly passionate at heart for what we hoped for. Please, let's stay in touch through this thread and we will be informed about everything new here! Deacon, once again a huge thank you for this TOP information!!!!

Vlado from Slovakia

 

[Chris808]

Good to know - Good work Deacon this is very helpful for us..
i will purchase one soon as they are available



Will we not need the Dongle to Switch it on extender with these ?

 

[Deacon]

Doesn't sound like it.

This is from the listing for it:

COMPATIBILITY OF THE YAMAHA RANGE EXTENDER 360WH​

The 360Wh Range Extender is only compatible with e-bikes that have a Yamaha PW-X3 or PW-S2 motor, a 720Wh battery and a frame with MRS System installed. To use the Range Extender, all criteria on your e-bike must be met.



The allmtn 10 that I have uses the pw-x3 motor, 720wh battery and has the MRS system.
1080wh with 360wh extender, that will be perfect for me

 

[Chris808]

Doesn't sound like it.

This is from the listing for it:

COMPATIBILITY OF THE YAMAHA RANGE EXTENDER 360WH​

The 360Wh Range Extender is only compatible with e-bikes that have a Yamaha PW-X3 or PW-S2 motor, a 720Wh battery and a frame with MRS System installed. To use the Range Extender, all criteria on your e-bike must be met.



The allmtn 10 that I have uses the pw-x3 motor, 720wh battery and has the MRS system.
1080wh with 360wh extender, that will be perfect for me

The allmtn 10 that I have uses the pw-x3 motor, 720wh battery and has the MRS system.
1080wh with 360wh extender, that will be perfect for me

^^Me also buddy with my all mtn 10

Had no problems with the Chip in the all-mtn 10 - i do like how its always on compared to my other all-mtn 2 with the volspeed having to activate it every time..

Chris

 

[Vladimir Havalda]

Hi guys, I can confirm that the external battery connection works. However, it must be parallel through the diode as in the picture.

 

[Vladimir Havalda]

The green cable is the info cable from the main battery

 

[luka]

Doesn't sound like it.

This is from the listing for it:

COMPATIBILITY OF THE YAMAHA RANGE EXTENDER 360WH​

The 360Wh Range Extender is only compatible with e-bikes that have a Yamaha PW-X3 or PW-S2 motor, a 720Wh battery and a frame with MRS System installed. To use the Range Extender, all criteria on your e-bike must be met.



The allmtn 10 that I have uses the pw-x3 motor, 720wh battery and has the MRS system.
1080wh with 360wh extender, that will be perfect for me

Doesn't sound like it.

This is from the listing for it:

COMPATIBILITY OF THE YAMAHA RANGE EXTENDER 360WH​

The 360Wh Range Extender is only compatible with e-bikes that have a Yamaha PW-X3 or PW-S2 motor, a 720Wh battery and a frame with MRS System installed. To use the Range Extender, all criteria on your e-bike must be met.



The allmtn 10 that I have uses the pw-x3 motor, 720wh battery and has the MRS system.
1080wh with 360wh extender, that will be perfect for me

Hi Deacon. I have Haibike Nduro 8 and bougth range extender from Mondraker. I haven't find a way for range extender to work. Have you found out what to do?

Thank you for your help.
Luka