School me on GoPro’s

Mikerb

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Flattenes the trails.
The closer the cam is mounted to ground level the more it shows the change in gradient. So a chesty is for example better in that respect than a chin or helmet mount. Even keeping the chesty low on your chest makes a difference. In many scenarios what our eyes perceive as changes of level is in fact changes in light...….using contrasting shades is how an artist shows changes of level in a 2d dimension. So you can emulate that to a degree with grading in an editing suite ( post). I do that that a lot with windsurfing video......a high mounted ( mast) gopro can make a very choppy sea look flat and benign but up the contrast etc and you get to see the shape of the water better. If you want to show the steepness of a climb, the depth of a drop etc, experiment with a mount lower on the bike...….not easy! and puts the gopro at risk!
 

Mikerb

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Does anyone ever attach one to the top of the fork brace ? That would be a scary bouncy hellish place to experience things from !
Using something like the bigger K Edge mount on the bars (ie the gopro fixing point ends up about 100mm below the bars) is a bout as low as is safe for the camera and even then needs to be mounted fairly close to the stem in case of an off.
 

GrandPaBrogan

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So is the hyper smooth really worth the extra $230, that along with a removable battery over the silver ?
Yes, hyper smooth is worth it! I've read that you've already decided to get a Hero7 Black - good move! Trust me, you or anyone else won't watch a movie that makes makes you feel sick. You'll just end up deleting them. I've made that mistake!

Here are some tips:
  • Battery management is key - turn off GPS and as many auto functions as possible... so that the camera is just taking footage and not doing all manner of other tasks that tax the camera's CPU and drain your battery prematurely. My set-ups are on my YouTube video notes.
  • Memory management is key - get a 64GB microSD card if you're intending to use just one battery. For longer epic shoots, get a 128GB microSD card but you need to carry a spare battery with you. Make sure the SD card is "high speed memory" and compatible to the Hero7 Black. I use Sandisk Extreme. Using a sub par SD card can cause the camera to overheat.
  • Record in 2.7K - to get more footage from your battery and memory card. You can 'up' your output resolution to 4K quality (up-rez) on post edit. 1080p is too low by todays standards - especially if you want to playback your movies through your large 4K TV at home.
  • Frames per Second (FPS) selection is key - choose 24fps cinematic standard, or 60fps which is GoPro's recommended for cycling related videos. 24fps will be make smaller files - but surprisingly recording in 60fps is much less than double the file sizes. (see comparative video on this subject below)
  • Learn to post edit - this will give your movies variation, so they won't all look the same. You can shorten it, add music, add titles and transitions to make your movies interesting. You need a decent computer if you want to do this. There are also video editing software that are either free or inexpensive. I just use the most basic FILMORA 9 and that's probably all you need... but there could be a learning curve though. If you discover that you're into this sort of stuff, you can do more serious and complex grading work with Da Vinci Resolve - they have a free version which is what I use.
  • Upload your movies to YouTube - trust me you're not gonna watch your movies if you have to start-up a computer each time. If it's on Youtube, then it's already archived - and it's so easy to access and watch it on your TV, phone, or other devices... where ever you are. Upload and store them there even if they are "unlisted" or "private." Keep your movies short! We all have short attention spans these days. I try to keep mine around the 5 minute mark or shorter. A 10 minute video needs to have some sort of evolving theme or progressive story line otherwise it's just too long.
I've upload my videos mainly for my brother who lives overseas - so that he and my nephews (who are all into MTBiking) can see what I've been up to. I'm not doing it as a proper channel as such, so I'm not pushing for subscribers or likes. It's just up there as my movie player and I have no intentions or illusions about monetisation. I am however using the channel to learn how to think through a story-board, record footage that fits it accordingly, then grade and post edit my videos to appear as high end as possible. I only have 3 finished videos... plus I have so many other raw footage on the editing queue, but I just can't be bothered at the moment.

Be prepared to spend hours and hours and hours to produce just a short 3-5 minute video. You'll either love it or hate it.

EDIT 19 Nov 2019: I deleted two of my videos (links formerly placed on this spot) because of the new YouTube ruling as imposed according to the American FTC’s guidance on COPPA. I'm not a monetised channel so it doesn't really affect me, but these two videos of mine happen to have my grandkids Lego/Duplo toys at the beginning and I just can't be bothered with the political madness. So just a heads up for anyone wanting to upload your GoPro videos on YouTube - make sure there's nothing in there that may/might/could appeal to children. Good grief!

Below is my "new bike day +3" - the first time I took my Trance E+ for a proper run. Excuse the heavy laboured breathing... I have a heart condition. :confused:

 
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outerlimits

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Yes, hyper smooth is worth it! I've read that you've already decided to get a Hero7 Black - good move! Trust me, you or anyone else won't watch a movie that makes makes you feel sick. You'll just end up deleting them. I've made that mistake!

Here are some tips:
  • Battery management is key - turn off GPS and as many auto functions as possible... so that the camera is just taking footage and not doing all manner of other tasks that tax the camera's CPU and drain your battery prematurely. My set-ups are on my YouTube video notes.
  • Memory management is key - get a 64GB microSD card if you're intending to use just one battery. For longer epic shoots, get a 128GB microSD card but you need to carry a spare battery with you. Make sure the SD card is "high speed memory" and compatible to the Hero7 Black. I use Sandisk Extreme. Using a sub par SD card can cause the camera to overheat.
  • Record in 2.7K - to get more footage from your battery and memory card. You can 'up' your output resolution to 4K quality (up-rez) on post edit. 1080p is too low by todays standards - especially if you want to playback your movies through your large 4K TV at home.
  • Frames per Second (FPS) selection is key - choose 24fps cinematic standard, or 60fps which is GoPro's recommended for cycling related videos. 24fps will be make smaller files - but surprisingly recording in 60fps is much less than double the file sizes. (see comparative video on this subject below)
  • Learn to post edit - this will give your movies variation, so they won't all look the same. You can shorten it, add music, add titles and transitions to make your movies interesting. You need a decent computer if you want to do this. There are also video editing software that are either free or inexpensive. I just use the most basic FILMORA 9 and that's probably all you need... but there could be a learning curve though. If you discover that you're into this sort of stuff, you can do more serious and complex grading work with Da Vinci Resolve - they have a free version which is what I use.
  • Upload your movies to YouTube - trust me you're not gonna watch your movies if you have to start-up a computer each time. If it's on Youtube, then it's already archived - and it's so easy to access and watch it on your TV, phone, or other devices... where ever you are. Upload and store them there even if they are "unlisted" or "private." Keep your movies short! We all have short attention spans these days. I try to keep mine around the 5 minute mark or shorter. A 10 minute video needs to have some sort of evolving theme or progressive story line otherwise it's just too long.
I've upload my videos mainly for my brother who lives overseas - so that he and my nephews (who are all into MTBiking) can see what I've been up to. I'm not doing it as a proper channel as such, so I'm not pushing for subscribers or likes. It's just up there as my movie player and I have no intentions or illusions about monetisation. I am however using the channel to learn how to think through a story-board, record footage that fits it accordingly, then grade and post edit my videos to appear as high end as possible. I only have 3 finished videos... plus I have so many other raw footage on the editing queue, but I just can't be bothered at the moment.

Be prepared to spend hours and hours and hours to produce just a short 3-5 minute video. You'll either love it or hate it.



Below is my "new bike day +3" - the first time I took my Trance E+ for a proper run. Excuse the heavy laboured breathing... I have a heart condition. :confused:

Thanks for all the info, that’s great.
Sounds a bit complex and time consuming.
I usually just take sort 1-3 min video on my iPhone mounted to the bars at the moment, just to share on FB. Most I do is crop a bit from the start and finish.
So really just after simple stuff that is stable and has a different prospective. (Anything be better than iPhone on the bars really ?)

I don’t even own a HD tv and my laptop is at least 3 years old, and don’t ask me what ram it has ?‍♂️
 

wepn

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The Insta 360 Go looks pretty good for AUD$330. So called 20 gram steady cam, it is tiny & can be mounted anywhere easily. 'Flow state' stabilisation and auto edit.

Store - Insta360

GOPCEN4.jpg
 

Mcharza

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Thanks for all the info, that’s great.
Sounds a bit complex and time consuming.
I usually just take sort 1-3 min video on my iPhone mounted to the bars at the moment, just to share on FB. Most I do is crop a bit from the start and finish.
So really just after simple stuff that is stable and has a different prospective. (Anything be better than iPhone on the bars really ?)

I don’t even own a HD tv and my laptop is at least 3 years old, and don’t ask me what ram it has ?‍♂️
Don't worry, if you don't want to edit there is Gopro Quik. You can quickly make one of several videos into some
 

Mikerb

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Going for ride in Wareham Forest tomorrow and given its pretty chilly will probably go straight to a couple of downhill singletrack runs with some jumps and berms. The great thing about the emtb is that we ride back up them rather than having to do a big loop around to get back to the trail head.
Both me and my mate are fairly new to jumps etc and are in the process of trying to master these runs. These are not big jumps and we have just started tackling them individually but trying to get the flow and speed to take them in sequence has so far defeated us!!
Anyway......the relevance of all this for a Gopro thread? I will take my Hero 7 Black, a chesty, and a small tripod so that I can get some footage both on the bike and from the sidelines. So the first element of a gopro video is in the bag.......I have a basic storyboard, probably a title, and have decided what kit I need. Next is to decide what settings would be best. It is quite shaded in the forest and rain is forecast for late afternoon so it will probably be white cloud. If there is enough light I will use 2.7k (16:9) @ 50fps Superview…..if not 1440 ( 4:3) @ 50 fps wide.
The objective is to record how we do and from that see what we can improve. I have another ongoing video which is a precis of video sessions like this which enables us to track progress ( or not!). So in addition to making a separate video, some bits of footage will be added to that.
I edit using Sony Movie Studio ( now Magix). I upload to YouTube for sharing with a few mtb friends ( and anyone else that stumbles on it). I also convert the rendered video to .mkv and load onto a usb stick so I can view the video on a HDTV via a blu ray player.
As a result I get treble value from a day on the bike...........the ride, the review, the learning.
p.s. an old adage in videography is that the only person you need to please in terms of content quality and edit is yourself.
 

Pedro78

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I've just bought a secondhand Gopro 7 black and compared to my other cameras this is the dogs bollocks. The hypersmooth is amazing. With the 8 now out they have dropped in price but maybe wait and see if there will be any Black Friday deals!

For attachments defo chest harness, I have attachment to my chin bar and also under the visor but not tried them yet with the GoPro 7. I am going to get a mini tripod so I can place the camera in different positions to get a different pov + I'm going to mess around with Time Warp function! For tips on best settings I found Jordan BoostMaster vids on YouTube very usefully!

For the colours I quite like GoPro colours, plus my computer is slow so difficult/time consuming to colour grade edit.

For footage looking flat all action cameras do that apart from the 360 ones! But if you change the pov from time to time on the vid it adds another dimension.

Seriously buy a 7 you won't regret it! ?
 

Mikerb

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Looks good but I have the Hero 7 and see nothing that would inspire me to change...and I am not interested in the 360 view . Don't know if the Max does Superview but that with 2.7k is my preferred setting for chest mount mtb now.
 

GrandPaBrogan

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^ The question posed on the video was. "Is this the best POV Camera?"

With the specific setting and body placement used in that particular video example, for me it's a NO because I started amusing myself with the overstretched arms and legs, and ended up paying no attention to the trail at all.

If anything it's a highly unnatural POV, not something I can ever consider to be the best...
 

Zimmerframe

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^ The question posed on the video was. "Is this the best POV Camera?"

With the specific setting and body placement used in that particular video example, for me it's a NO because I started amusing myself with the overstretched arms and legs, and ended up paying no attention to the trail at all.

If anything it's a highly unnatural POV, not something I can ever consider to be the best...
That was pretty much the same conclusion as 90% of the comments. Quite a few people said it made them motion sick ?
 

Mikerb

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Yes I agree that having 2 arms that look to be 6 ft long on the edge of the frame is distracting. Cropping 4:3 format to 16:9 is far better than stretching the frame. It is good to get the bars in the shot though.
 

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