Rock Plows vs Hardpack Bullets

[Eddy Current]

No is not the Super Bowl guys. Seems to me:

Bullets: are design for the bike park trail, such the Norco, the Shuttle, the Whyte ... progressive suspension, short chainstays, mainly 27.5, poppy handling ... developed to go fast, turn fast, jump.

Plows: roots rocks wet bumps, some 29ers, longchainstays. Developed to swallow anything you thrown at em, not really twisted tracks or not at great speed.

Maybe there are ebikes suited for both but I’m not the one who sit in middle of nowhere, because at the end you got a ebike that performs not bad but not good either. Aka Turbo Levo

Discuss (and insult me of course)

 

[CjP]

Kenevo does everything you can throw at it. Does it real good too.

 

[slippery pete]

ebike that performs not bad but not good either. Aka Turbo Levo ]

Like you, I didn't consider the turbo levo for more than a millisecond. Yes, it has been getting huge plaudits since the beginning of time but, no, a USP of "quite good at everything" was never going to cut it.

You've mentioned wheel size and chainstay length but missed the most important factor: colour. Specialized have a colour palette that starts with *dull* and ends with plagiarism; every Specialized bike that looks good copied a colour scheme that was popularised by another brand.

Also "Turbo" WTF. Turbos used to be things - physical, actual, mechanical things attached to internal combustion engines to get better specific output. When the marketing department got hold of "turbo" they turned it into a synonym for "better" at which point all hope for humanity got tipped in the dumpster.

 

[Gary]

Discuss (and insult me of course)

Tyre/suspension/control point set-up and sizing plays a far bigger part than you imagine

you dick!

My 170mm E-sommet is far more playful than any Levo and still handles the rough (at speed) better.
455mm stays are the sweet spot for me. Pretty much the same length as my DH bikes. ie. short enough to be playful but long enough for stability.
front centre and reach has a masssive effect on playfulness, pop & mannybility.
suspension set up is crucial if you want a poppy bike that can still plow
As is tyre choice, casing, compound and pressures.

The Norco, Pivot and Whyte can all be set up in a way that will not be playful/poppy... and many Emtb riders simply do not have the experience to know why their set-up will not be taking advantage of the progressiveness of the rear ends or the short(ish) chainstays... and as proven by most tyre threads on here are clueless as to what sticking massively heavy soft draggy tyres does to a bike's playful/nimbleness.

[/discussion] (from me)

 

[Gary]

Maybe there are ebikes suited for both but I’m not the one who sit in middle of nowhere, because at the end you got a ebike that performs not bad but not good either. Aka Turbo Levo

I guess you have TWO FS Emtbs then?

 

[Eddy Current]

I guess you have TWO FS Emtbs then?

Im happy with HT but it’s time to upgrade

 

[Gary]

I guess you'll need to buy TWO moar then.

either that or just stop talking shite

 

[Eddy Current]

I guess you'll need to buy TWO moar then.

either that or just stop talking shite

Gary I’m not agree with you in the subject of change suspension behavior. That could be possible in the fork, but on the rear, is the geometry of the triangle wich determinate it. You can push it a bit more on one side or another and carefull, otherwise it can end in disaster

 

[Simoto123]

This should be good.

 

[Gary]

*sigh*

Can't even be arsed.

Shite in = shite out tho so fair enough.

 

[Simoto123]

Gary, I think you've mellowed.